I’m a Pediatrician Trans Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse.

a reply to: Abysha

"in some way—potentially in a way"... in other words, she doesn't understand neuroplasticity or neurology, in general. Neuroplasticity isn't some magic brain training that reshapes your brain. That's just what trashy blogs push in order to sell cheap books and apps that "make you smarter".

It's a gimmick and doesn't apply to gender.

I'd be interested in reading something that refutes the assertion made by Dr Cretella, no offense intended, but something other than your opinion.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: Abysha

"in some way—potentially in a way"... in other words, she doesn't understand neuroplasticity or neurology, in general. Neuroplasticity isn't some magic brain training that reshapes your brain. That's just what trashy blogs push in order to sell cheap books and apps that "make you smarter".

It's a gimmick and doesn't apply to gender.

I'd be interested in reading something that refutes the assertion made by Dr Cretella, no offense intended, but something other than your opinion.

Are you not willing to believe the vast majority of neurologists, doctors, and psychologists that form organizations like WPATH?

If not, is it because you believe it's some sort of conspiracy?

If so, why are we even discussing this?

a reply to: CurlySue

Found that peer reviewed artcile you posted in the first post to be very informative.

Conclusion

Gender dysphoria (GD) in children is a term used to describe a psychological condition in which a child experiences marked
incongruence between his experienced gender and the gender associated with his biological sex.

There is no rigorous scientific evidence that GD is an innate trait. Moreover, 80 percent to 95 percent of children with GD accept the reality of their biological sex and achieve emotional health by late adolescence.

The treatment of GD in childhood with hormones effectively amounts to mass experimentation on, and sterilization of, youth who are cognitively incapable of providing informed consent.

There is a serious ethical problem with allowing irreversible, life-changing procedures to be performed on minors who are too young to give valid consent themselves.

Article: Link

a reply to: CurlySue

Wait till you see the toddler LGBT training course series, "Queer Stuff For Kids", on GooTube.

a reply to: Abysha

Are you not willing to believe the vast majority of neurologists, doctors, and psychologists that form organizations like WPATH?

Do you have any evidence or not? Do you have anyone laying out an explanation, making an argument for why Dr. Cretella's assertion/explanation doesn't work?

I'm not talking about someone characterizing her as a member of a hate group, or someone who thinks she should "obviously" be ignored because she's a person of faith, or any other ad hominem Nor am I interested in some body just asserting her assertion is false.

Facts, rational arguments that refute her assertion. If you don't have that, then you're wasting my time.

Short story...

My sister and her son for an example. I do believe and have witnessed the projection of parental values and beliefs on children too young to know any different.

My sister didn't have much success with men so she switched to women.
During one of her relationships, her son who was 5 and a half at the time liked a flower printed purse she owned and she encouraged him to carry it around because she felt he was simply expressing himself.
He would carry it just like a woman, over the shoulder, not by the handles. For me, it wasn't a problem per se, I just think if a man was around, like his father, he wouldn't have been so encouraged to do so, and probably would have been directed and coached on why that's fir girls and not for boys.

Today, he is now 15 and with his father and absolutely can't stand his mother, my sister. He remembers this situation clearly and says he'll never forgive her for using him to play dress up. He says she never got over her Barbie dolls and used him for it.

I always cringed at those baby/toddler pageants on TV where the foaming at the mouth mother's put soooooooo much pressure on their little girls to make the mother's dreams come true. All the make up and etc. was just disgusting to me.

Point is, parents have a HUGE influence in their children's outcomes.
A man will teach his kids, sons or daughters, the differences between the sexes to protect them from being used and hurt, as the woman will teach the values of patience and forgiveness when inevitably they are used and hurt.
The children grow seeing that difference between male and female because they have that example by their mother(female) and father(male).

I'm concerned with alternative outcomes due to same sex parents and relationships, my nephews reaction as an example.

With kids ALWAYS looking for admiration from their parents, why wouldn't they emulate their parents behavior? Im not saying that ALWAYS happens, but you can't deny that the odds increase nevertheless.

My nephew thanks the heavens for not turning out gay or mixed up, and he won't have anything to do with his mother and that's tragic. However, that's how he's coping with it right now.

POTENTIAL PARENTS... YOU REALLY NEED TO READ SOME BOOKS BEFORE YOU HAVE KIDS. THEY ARE NOT DOLLS OR PUPPETS..THEY ARE PEOPLE AND YOU ARE THEIR GODS FOR A SHORT TIME.

The good and the bad you do to them today shapes their ENTIRE lives.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yea, youtube needs to block that, it verges on pedeophillia.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I am just so tired of these threads.

I KNOW!!! I'm so sick of conservatives shoving transgender topics down my throat!

Maybe if you wouldn't tell us that sexuality is begun to be discovered and explored at the age of 3..

Who is talking about sexuality?!

So there is no sexuality involved at any point of the transgender journey ? You can assure that a transgender young male won't be gyrating like his fav icon Beyonce ? Many children are being indoctrinated sexually through music videos .. I can't see why transgendered children would not be as well.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: Abysha

Are you not willing to believe the vast majority of neurologists, doctors, and psychologists that form organizations like WPATH?

Do you have any evidence or not? Do you have anyone laying out an explanation, making an argument for why Dr. Cretella's assertion/explanation doesn't work?

I'm not talking about someone characterizing her as a member of a hate group, or someone who thinks she should "obviously" be ignored because she's a person of faith, or any other ad hominem Nor am I interested in some body just asserting her assertion is false.

Facts, rational arguments that refute her assertion. If you don't have that, then you're wasting my time.

Choose which assertion. Go to the WPATH website and look it up. I've linked sooooo many studies on ATS and it never goes anywhere further than "But they disagree with my upbringing so 99% of science must be paid off by liberals out to make me look stupid".

I don't mean to sound jaded but it's exhausting. Especially when you can just look it up from actual authoritative sources. This is why I asked you if you're just one of those people who will ignore it as some vast conspiracy against their way of life. If not, then just go to WPATH. They are the experts and curators of all the knowledge of the subject.

originally posted by: Sheye

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I am just so tired of these threads.

I KNOW!!! I'm so sick of conservatives shoving transgender topics down my throat!

Maybe if you wouldn't tell us that sexuality is begun to be discovered and explored at the age of 3..

Who is talking about sexuality?!

So there is no sexuality involved at any point of the transgender journey ? You can assure that a transgender young male won't be gyrating like his fav icon Beyonce ? Many children are being indoctrinated sexually through music videos .. I can't see why transgendered children would not be as well.

So... you're saying that trans children are exactly as influenced by our sexualized media as cisgender kids? Then why bring it up? How is it specific to gender dysphoria?

a reply to: CurlySue

Closing schools down that don't conform to the agenda now? WOW! This agenda is completely out of control.

n Orthodox Jewish girls’ school in London may be shut down because its preschool to early elementary-aged students do not learn about sexual orientation in the classroom.

“…Leaders were not able to show that pupils are taught explicitly about issues such as sexual orientation. This restricts pupils’ spiritual, moral, social and cultural development and does not promote equality of opportunity in ways that take account of differing lifestyles.”

townhall.com...

Children should not be supported or encouraged to change genders. Not to say they shouldn't be soothed or comforted or even prevented from dressing up as or playing as the opposite sex they were born as. If that's what makes them happier. Just as long as you tell them if you still feel this way at age 18 we'll support your decision.

It can be a phase and it's best to let them go through puberty first and be age 18, so they can know for sure how they really feel

When there's some adults who got it wrong it's not hard to believe a child can Sex Change Regret

This new thing of GNP gender nuetral parenting, where the parent decides for them that they will raise them with no gender is not having your child's best interest at heart.

a reply to: CurlySue

As a transgender individual, I just want to thank you all for confirming my life is a big lie.

originally posted by: violet
Children should not be supported or encouraged to change genders. Not to say they shouldn't be soothed or comforted or even prevented from dressing up as or playing as the opposite sex they were born as. If that's what makes them happier. Just as long as you tell them if you still feel this way at age 18 we'll support your decision.

It can be a phase and it's best to let them go through puberty first and be age 18, so they can know for sure how they really feel

When there's some adults who got it wrong it's not hard to believe a child can Sex Change Regret

This new thing of GNP gender nuetral parenting, where the parent decides for them that they will raise them with no gender is not having your child's best interest at heart.

Supported and encouraged are two very different things. Just as proactive GNP parents compared to parents who just don't give a crap how their kid wants to dress or what toys they play with.

I raised my daughter with the latter in mind. She's growing up liking Sonic the Hedgehog, Hotwheels, My Little Pony, Zombies, Minecraft, and pretty dresses. She has short tom-boy hair, combat boots, and likes to fart. But she also likes her stuffed animals and tea parties. But never once has she said she felt like a boy. So I don't worry about it.

Not enforcing a gender doesn't make a child flip a coin. They know what they are.

a reply to: Abysha

Yes and not pushing influential ideas upon a childs' impressionable mind is most important as I'm sure you know. They must use their intuition to figure it out.

It's an interesting debate, but I wonder about Dr Cretella's integrity, at least so far as this paper is concerned.

She uses the emotive word 'children' throughout, but does not mention the ages of the children in question. This allows people who - no doubt, mostly with good intent - are concerned about transgender issues to imagine that she's talking about kindergarten kids. But that's not the case.

Not only is it not the case, but it appears she has deliberately avoided mentioning it. Not only that, but she is guilty of some serious misuse of her sources.

Here's one example.

In her paper, the following passage occurs:

Experts on both sides of the pubertal suppression debate agree that within this context, 80 percent to 95 percent of children with GD accepted their biological sex and achieved emotional well-being by late adolescence.[20]

(That "[20]" at the end is a reference in the endnotes, we'll come to it in a moment).

Look at that paragraph again. What it actually says is that only between 20% and 5% of transgender adolescents undergo reassignment surgery. (Because, if that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have ended up accepting their biological sex, would they?)

This suggests that in fact the various psych tests used to screen for the reassignment process are actually working pretty well, and that adolescents are not being operated on recklessly.

This is the direct opposite of what Dr Cretella is trying to imply. And the reason she has done it is unarguably because she doesn't have any stats to support her argument. If there were sound information about people being reassigned and regretting it, she would have used that instead.

It gets worse.

Remember that "[20]"? The source given at that footnote is Cohen-Kettenis PT, Delemarre-van de Waal HA, Gooren LJ. "The treatment of adolescent transsexuals: changing insights." J Sexual Med 2008;5:1892–1897.

When you check out that source (you can read the abstract for yourself here) you will find that it is a paper about the soundness of gender reassignment procedures. It is not, as Dr Cretella insinuates, arguing in support of her theory.

The abstract includes the following:

The first step taken to treat adolescents was that, after careful evaluation, (cross-sex hormone) treatment could start between the ages of 16 and 18 years. A further step was the suppression of puberty by means of gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogs in 12-16 year olds; the latter serves also as a diagnostic tool. Very recently, other clinics in Europe and North America have followed this policy. Results. The first results from the Amsterdam clinic show that this policy is promising.

So, a small percentage of minors (which is not what the word "children" implies) undergo hormone therapy after age 12. The rest start after age 16, after which age they are old enough to consent, at least here in the UK (I think consent laws differ from state to state in the US?)

TL; DR - Dr Cretella has dishonestly cherry-picked a sentence from a paper that argues the exact opposite of her theory, presented it out of context so that it reads in a deliberately-emotive way, and ignored the bits that didn't suit her.

She is contradicted by her own source material. She's either dishonest or (to put it politely) not very thorough.

originally posted by: Mousygretchen
a reply to: CurlySue

As a transgender individual, I just want to thank you all for confirming my life is a big lie.

That's not fair and frankly that statement is paradoxical to which gender you feel comfortably being.

It's not our fault, just as much as its not yours.

If it is our fault, myself and others would like some clarity on how that's possible.

Moreover, this thread is about the development of children and NOT you.

I'm not saying that to be abrasive in any way mind you, or to disregard you as a person.

originally posted by: Mousygretchen
a reply to: Abysha

Yes and not pushing influential ideas upon a childs' impressionable mind is most important as I'm sure you know. They must use their intuition to figure it out.

But what are these influential ideas? That trans people exist? Is that what's triggering parents?