Obamacare repeal would fire 2.6 million government employees

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: EternalShadow

Democrats increase taxes to provide social programs like Obamacare. Efficiency and accountability are lower compared to private sector. Compare public school with private school. Where do the rich send their kids? You get my point.

There has to be a middle ground
I am in favor of big programs by the Dems, and the Reps would be great if their focus wasn't on destroying but instead streamlining said programs, focusing on making it on target, under budget, and crusading against corrupt and waste within programs. Imagine a society where the differences were met with a plan on how to institute the best system for the best price....instead, politics today is either big messy deals, or nothing.

a reply to: jtma508

I'll go with the 2.6 million number, but, you are right, they are not all Federal employees. Some of them are Federal, some of them are State employees. Then you have the employees of companies that have been contracted by the Federal and State governments. Then you have employees of companies like AARP and others who provide supplemental insurance for Obamacare.

One thing is that the vast majority of them are UNION employees. When you look at everything that was done during the Obama Administration, unions benefited from the majority of it. The push behind single-payer healthcare are the unions who handle the healthcare of their retired members. They have mismanaged their funds for so long that the only thing keeping them afloat are the dues that they are receiving. Single-payer gets them out of trouble.

If you really want to lower the costs of healthcare, get rid of insurance. The doctor that I see is in a practice with four other doctors. Each doctor has an assistant and a scheduler. That is a total of 15 people who are providing a direct service to their patients. There are another 30 people who's jobs are to process the insurance paperwork. They are overhead, they are an expense that has to be paid for, but, they generate no revenue.

I'm not slamming these people. I'm an engineer. Unless we are getting paid for engineering time, I'm overhead. The people who are building our product and getting it out the door are our revenue generators. everything else is overhead.

Get rid of the insurance paperwork or at least streamline it and you can cut a big chunk out of healthcare costs.
It is never going to happen. All of the government required paperwork goes to (wait for it) Government UNION employees.

It's kind of funny that the same people that constantly tout Trumps outlook on jobs don't seem to care about these 2.6 million Americans losing theirs..

Whatever. At this point, consistency isn't something anyone should expect from the right wing. These Americans jobs seem to not matter to anyone just because Obama created them.

The whole system of belief gets more cultish every day.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: rexsblues

The government employees will literally crash the entire country to protect their jobs and bennies

Its happening in my town right now and my taxes go up every year

Those of who work, and live in Illinois are about to see our taxes go up.

The bureaucrats who are already well off couldn't do their job, and are passing off the dues to us mere peons who work a full-time job.

This is ridiculous. The entire civilian federal workforce isn't 2.4 million. in 2012 there was 4.312 million, including ALL military personnel. Talk about your fake news!

Crash the health care system obliterate the welfare system and pop the education bollon and what do you have ?
What so many on this site have been begging for 95 million people with no jobs no money no homes no hope who they must believe will just sit home and starve and whats really funny is you begged the government to do it .
Been kciking teh can down the road along time now thing is the roads a dead end cliff

a reply to: allsee4eye

Ass.

Door.

Don't let it hit you on the way out.

a reply to: SaturnFX

The one reason, the only reason why private business runs efficiently and under budget and all that good stuff, even if it can also be corrupt is because it has a hard budget it has to operate under.

Businesses do not get to write laws that levy taxes essentially ensuring a never-ending revenue stream. They have to more or less keep some kind of customer base to keep a revenue stream.

Maybe government might become what you wanted if and only if it could no longer simply reach into our pockets for new taxes every time it failed to run efficiently. But since it also writes the laws, that will never happen.

originally posted by: allsee4eye

The federal government is really supposed to be responsible for one thing only: collective defense of the states. That's why there's the 10th amendment which says anything states can do for themselves must be done by states themselves, not by the federal government. And duh that includes health insurance.

But, ultimately, the states control everything.

All the lawmakers come from the states.

So, these very lawmakers, in representing their states, can change the laws, giving more or less power to the federal government.

The states have obviously become "lazy", and are trying the get the Federal Government to do everything for them.

That's why the states are approving all these laws that give the Federal Government more power over them.

And the people are no better, they too have become lazy, electing those representatives that, in turn, just hand over the power to the Feds.

originally posted by: allsee4eye

Under Democrats, the federal government has become too large and too controlling on the states. Government employees have low efficiency and low accountability. Private sector employees have high efficiency and more accountability. Which is why I say, let these employees be fired and find jobs in the private health sector.

Do you know what 2.6 million Government jobs lost is called?



A good start......

a reply to: SaturnFX

All government employees will simply be reassigned to another department. Government is not going away.

a reply to: AMPTAH

No. You're wrong.

The lawmakers from the states delegations stopped caring about the states themselves long ago when the 17th Amendment passed giving the populace direct elections powers.

Early on, the senators were supposed to be appointments from the governments of the states intended to represent the states, not the people of the states, and the Senate was to be the body of the state governments while the house was the body of the people with delegates elected by direct vote.

So now we have two chambers that are direct representatives of the people, by passing the governments of the separate states entirely when it comes to representation.

so it`s costing the tax payers the salaries and pensions of 2.6 million federal employees to make sure that the private insurance companies get their pound of flesh? before the government fines you and gets their pound of flesh? what`s wrong with this picture?

so why are the taxpayers being forced to fund 2.6 million federal employee salaries and pensions to ensure oversight that they obey the law and buy a service from a private company?

does any other private company provide a product or service that has 2.6 million federal employees dedicated to ensure that the public buys their product or service? no there isn`t! so it makes me wonder whos dick the insurance companies are sucking to make sure that the taxpayers are funding 2.6 million federal employees to make sure that the taxpayers are buying insurance.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: allsee4eye

Under Democrats, the federal government has become too large and too controlling on the states. Government employees have low efficiency and low accountability. Private sector employees have high efficiency and more accountability. Which is why I say, let these employees be fired and find jobs in the private health sector.

Do you know what 2.6 million Government jobs lost is called?



A good start......

That would fire almost all civil servants working for the government. I really find it hard to believe that Obama care would effect 99 percent of government employees. This is fake news made up without any thought of real numbers.

The only way to get even close to thus number would be the employees of insurance companies. And they are all ready pulling themselves out if Obama care. So I guess those jobs are gone all ready

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Since Obamacare is a big federal government program, it employees millions of federal government employees. Basically, under this program, the rich pay more taxes to pay for the salaries of millions of federal government employees in the health sector. Republicans, contrary to the Democrats, want small federal government and low taxes.

The federal government is really supposed to be responsible for one thing only: collective defense of the states. That's why there's the 10th amendment which says anything states can do for themselves must be done by states themselves, not by the federal government. And duh that includes health insurance.

Under Democrats, the federal government has become too large and too controlling on the states. Government employees have low efficiency and low accountability. Private sector employees have high efficiency and more accountability. Which is why I say, let these employees be fired and find jobs in the private health sector.

www.rawstory.com...

AllSee4Eye, you didn't read your own article! Here's an excerpt. Show us where it says 2.6 million Government employees?

""The Senate Trumpcare bill would not only remove around 22 million people from insurance coverage, it could cost about 2.6 million jobs nationwide in 2019, rising to almost 3 million by 2021.

This estimate on job shortfalls was done in a study by public health analysts at George Washington University, which said around a million jobs would be lost in the healthcare sector alone.

"Repealing key parts of the ACA could trigger massive job losses and a slump in consumer and business spending that would affect all sectors of state economies," said Leighton Ku, director of the Center for Health Policy Research and professor at the Milken Institute School of Public Health at the University, CNBC reported.""


You forced lots of ATS members to take time out of their day to reply to a FAKE subject line. Feel like apologizing NOW or LATER?

a reply to: TrueBrit

You seem very interested and passionate about the U.S. health care system, why is that? I couldn't care less what the Brits do with their health care, but you are always commenting vociferously on U.S. health care. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't understand why you care so much what we do over here?

originally posted by: jtma508
This is a perfect illustration of the pro-right level of ignorance. Ignore the facts laid-out right in front of you so you can continue your political circle-jerk. No credibility in the lot of you. And you wonder why the other side thinks you're all deluded. Case in point.


MODS: Shouldn't this be dumped in the Hoax Bin?

Would you believe the report if it were posted on CNN?
money.cnn.com...

Repealing Obamacare could cost 3 million jobs, study finds

a reply to: jtma508

the article doesn't say just federal employees, it says nation wide.

The Senate Trumpcare bill would not only remove around 22 million people from insurance coverage, it could cost about 2.6 million jobs nationwide in 2019, rising to almost 3 million by 2021.

it also says which state would lose the most,

The biggest job losses have been estimated in California with 334,000 jobs. Followed by Florida (181,000), Texas (175,000), Pennsylvania (137,000), New York (131,000), Ohio (126,000), Illinois (114,000), Michigan (102,000), New Jersey (86,000) and North Carolina (76,000).

it is aslo know that nation wide, that "Government" be it local, state or federal is largest single employment sector in the nation.

i know lots of people don't care for this source and it's dated back to 2015, but it was the quickest i could find.

21,995,000 to 12,329,000: Government Employees Outnumber Manufacturing Employees 1.8 to 1

but i will give you this the OP post is misleading. in that they claim federal employees.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Let me ask you a question...

Are you any less human, just because you are American? Are the struggles of working class persons in the United States any different than the struggles of their counterparts here in Britain, issuing from significantly different sociological and political problems?

I would posit, that no, you are no less human, and no, the struggles of the people who represent the backbone of your countries economy (those who do the most work, for the least money) are no different to the people who occupy that position in my society. Therefore, as we are all members of the same species, and living under systems which affect our lives, systems which are outside of our control to any significant degree, I feel solidarity with those affected by the healthcare crisis in your country.

Its also worth pointing out that the United States contains some individuals that I value as friends, many of whom can be found in the membership of this very website. I care about my fellow human beings. I believe that regardless of geography or financial status, it should be illegal to consider healthcare a commodity rather than a right, a right one earns by way of existing, and through no other means.

I feel this way because I love my fellow human beings, and want to see them live their lives in health, not a constant state of physical and mental collapse.