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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 05:08 AM

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: John4564

I wouldn sweat it , I heard they are pretty forgiving , but what matters more is how forgiving you are !

You're right! 'They' are pretty forgiving...IF YOU REPENT SINCERELY!

You've 'heard', you say? Why not read and understand (this thread) instead of being happy with hearsays...possibly leading you to astray?

The whole point is to repent FIRST! And for this you must know what to repent for. And unless you don't make the effort to know the narrative of the endtimes (in this thread), narrative which gives you the reasons to be excluded from God's selection, you won't be forgiven. Far too often the promised forgiveness 'prevents' people to change and to repent. People just forget the paragraphs in small letters in the life insurance contract.

I won't have to forgive anyone myself (I did it a long time ago), as a mere and faithful instrument of God's will. God will forgive those sincerily repenting and I will JUST apply HIS decisions.

People are afraid of death when they should be afraid of themselves. They are sure to be right when they should rather be good. Beware of what you THINK the Bible says. Rather STUDY it and ADOPT the GOOD interpretation!

Again, I am not the Judge. I am a CONSELOR. Help yourself with this thread. Time is ticking.

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 06:17 AM
a reply to: John4564

Im all good with my self in life and death

I dont need to repent

I dont interpret the bible in any way , I dont believe in god in the biblical sense

I think i'll make my own way and I'll reap what i sow

all the best to you

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 09:42 AM
a reply to: sapien82

All the best to you too sapien 82.

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 09:54 AM
Unexpected prophecies or unexpected explanations?

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:08 AM

originally posted by: GusMcDangerthing
Unexpected prophecies or unexpected explanations?

Certainly both of them for the unexpected explanations will make the prophecies unexpected.

For the time being, there are just unexpected explanations. When the first announced events come, they will be unexpected prophecies.
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posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:12 AM
a reply to: John4564

That's a decent enough answer to get me to read the OP, thanks

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:21 AM
a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

Thanks GusMcDangerthing!

Maybe once you have entered this world of explanations you will see how deep is the Book of Revelation, and so accurate it happens to be. Maybe you will see that it is the best supporter of the veracity of the Bible for no such accuracy could be due to chance at all, while debates on the Bible themselves, without these explanations, make it 'relative' to opinions.

There is a sound program and its end is extraordinary for those involved.

Have fun and joy.

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 10:54 AM
a reply to: John4564

I'm up to only the third page and have to go to bed, but it's bookmarked to come back to. I have a question about a post above these ones - what is t we're meant to repent for? I've switched off from even hearing anything remotely religious so am unfamiliar with what that is about specifically.

If you read this and rely, it'd be a be an interesting thing to read while I drink my coffee in the morning.

You've put a huge amount of work into this thread and are obviously very knowledgeable on this all, I'm very impressed.

posted on Jul, 28 2017 @ 12:49 PM
a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

Hello GusMcDangerthing,

Thank you for your kind words.

What we could have to repent for could be summed up in four points (lack of):


These words cover so many things in the daily life that it would need books to elaborate them in all the possible fields. But what is the main stumbling block is the today's capitalism and the love of money that leads people to take wrong decisions for themselves and others. The love of money makes things too hideous, starting with the lack of compassion to others.

The 10 Commandments are central, of course. And we often, in one way or another, disrespect these commandments. What matters is the excess of ego, even the simple stance of the illusory thinking that we don't need God to go our way. That's a trap for the ultimate destination is God Himself.

People walk a way without thinking of their final destination. They debate on what lies on the road while forgetting the horizon.

Note that I don't promote any church...AT ALL! On the contrary, I warn people about this other opposite illusion consisting in finding God in churches, even if this could help some of us, for they limit, through their dogmas, the whole picture, including the utmost importance of the 'alien' presence, core of the Bible story.

What matters is the personal and strong relationship you could have with God, whatever the way you picture Him. Humility is the way to God. Gratefulness is the way to God. Need of God is the way to God. Anything that makes you loving, compassionate, faithful and open minded is a way to God.

And, unfortunately for so many peoples' ego trips, THERE IS NOTHING BUT GOD.

The rest is just words, even this thread.

Our today's world is ephemeral. The Book of Revelation is all about this truth. So, our choice is between eternity and death. Nothing more, nothing less.


posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 09:27 AM
I just saw that I forgot to address this question of page 3 below:


originally posted by: John4564
Let's get back to the SIGN of Christ's coming.

Immediately after the angelic 'parents' asked the angelic 'children' to do what they had to do in Rev 14, comes the third sign in heaven in Rev 15:1, which could only be those Christ speaks about in Matthew 24:30.

15 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.

Who are these seven angels? How do they manifest themselves to be a sign in Heaven having the same nature than the Mother and the Father in Rev 12? To be more precise, in Rev 12, there are the Star of David alignment (Mother) and the Perseids (Father). There were indeed signs in the sky. But what about these 7 angels' sign?

Let these questions for now to make some remarks:

As stated above:

1) the Mother (Kate) had HER SIGN in heaven (first sign in Rev 12): the Star of David alignement when she gave birth, along with the full moon and the sun of the summer with which she was clothed on this JULY 22 2013.

2) the Father (William) had HIS SIGN in heaven (second sign in Rev 12): the Perseids covering the third of the sky and falling on earth with the tail of the red dragon with 7 crowned heads and 10 horns (himself) on this JULY 22 2013.

Both signs were seen from LONDON where they were for the birth of the Male Child at the Saint Mary Hospital. Both had a name (Kate & William), unlike this Male Child the very day of his birth, named (George) only two days later.

So, after the FIRST Day of the Lord 7 years long when George Christ remains unnoticed (luke 17:22) comes the SECOND Day of the Lord 7 years long when George Christ 'returns' openly (Luke 17:24) to take the chosen ones like a lightning from the East (Throne of God: sun at the beginning of the day) is visible in the West (Rapture: sun at the end of the day) in Matthew 24:27.

In the quote above, I said that the only other, and third, possible sign in the Book of Revelation is those of THE 7 ANGELS:

15 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.

This 7 angels' sign in heaven can ONLY be the sign of the coming of the Son of Man of Matthew 24:30:

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.


1) The sign of the Son of Man in heaven IS the sign of the seven angels in heaven for I showed that the narrative of Matthew 24 (but also Mark 13 and Luke 21) follows precisely those of the Book of Revelation. It means that THIS SIGN of Christ coming for the rapture MUST BE RELATED TO THE NUMBER 7!

2) the coming of George Christ for the rapture starts in 2024 for 7 years according to the endtimes calendar displayed in this thread. More precisely, it starts 1,260 days (Two Witnesses) + 1,344 days (antichrist) = 2,604 days from the end of the Christian era (August 21 2017). This makes this 6th seal period starting on October 7 2024!

Of course, the sign in heaven, to be an harbinger, must come BEFORE the rapture period itself. Therefore BEFORE October 2024!

It happens that, seen from LONDON in the video below, we will have A FANTASTIC ALIGNEMENT OF 7 PLANETS FOR 3.5 MONTHS (very rare!) from February 6th to May 22nd 2024. This alignement therefore starts, in the very year of Christ's Coming, 8 months before this 6th seal / rapture period starts.

This sign of Christ, being the sign of the 7 angels, is but a very long, impossible to miss, 7 planets alignement:

Mercury - Venus - Mars - Jupiter - Saturn - Uranus - Neptune.

Impressive match, isn't it?

PS: as you know, Pluto is not called 'planet', but this makes this 8th celestial body the perfect symbol of the number of Christ - EIGHT - the same way AUGUST (8th month) makes his unnoticed coming in 2017 a perfect symbol.
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posted on Jul, 29 2017 @ 10:27 PM
After a number of hypothesis, many people now think that the woman giving birth to the Male Child is the Virgo (woman) configuration with Jupiter (Male Child) in next September. It is not!

Allow me to remind you my interpretation, far more down to earth and literal to make this event something real. Remember my post in page 3:

originally posted by: John4564
Let's review the first part of Revelation 12 about the Woman who gives birth to the Male Child who will rule all the Nations with a rod of iron, aka Christ returned. This part speaks about the birth of Prince George on July 22 2013 (the famous 'things heating up in 2013', before the 'ET contact in 2017', in the intels given by an ET at the UN secret UFO meetings I spoke about) before the coming of Christ in his body.

Like it was the case in many prophecies already addressed, Revelation 12 is literal.

12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.


A great sign appeared in heaven:
expression used twice, one for the woman, the other for the red dragon. This double expression precedes the description of the MOTHER and the FATHER of the Male Child. It links the two (woman & red dragon) to 1) the British monarchy through its royal lineage, and 2) the date of the birth of the Male Child, called this way (Male Child) for he is not Christ returned yet.


It happened that, precisely on July 22 2013, all the planets formed a Star of David, the king of Israel to whom God promised an everlasting lineage of kings...including Christ.

As a sidenote, 22 of July is 22/7, and 22 divided by 7 is 3.14...since he was born past 16 o'clock, it makes exactly 3.1416, that is to say EXACTLY the Greek letter / number PI (to be connected to the 7 churches periods at the end of which Christ, the light of the world, returns!).

a woman clothed with the sun:
Kate gave birth in Summer. She was literally clothed for this season.

with the moon under her feet:
on July 22 2013 it is a full moon rising at her feet from her position on the bed in Saint Mary Hospital, London.

a crown of twelve stars on her head:
Kate is described as a royal with a crown (princess since two years at that moment), the 12 stars are those of the European flag for her country belongs to Europe. UK is the only monarchy in Europe (even in the world) with a sacrement for the coronation giving divine authority to the monarch.

She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth:
Kate didn't actually use any painkiller to give birth and suffered from George's birth.

an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads:
After having described the MOTHER, here is the FATHER. Prince William was first called prince of Wales due to his father's title, hence the red dragon (flag of Wales). He is the 7th crowned head (George VII to come) and the 10th horn! This description of the red dragon can ONLY be applied to him, since the other kings of his dynasty always missed heads or horns (neither 7 heads nor 10 horns yet).

Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth:
the same way time references come along the mother's description (summer, full moon), a time reference is provide here, narrowing the possibilities to pinpoint the date. Here, it is about a meteor shower, the Perseids falling between mid-July and mid-August, and occupying a third of the sky at night.

The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth:
Prince William assisted his wife for hours for her work, and was therefore next to her at the very moment George was born.

so that it might devour her child the moment he was born:
Prince William welcomed his boy as a Prince of the British monarchy, even before giving him a name which was announced two days later. So, the word 'devour' is not negative but expresses the idea that William followed a secular royal tradition to make George a Prince of his House before even being a human, not even a citizen (the royals don't vote).

She gave birth to a son, a male child, who "will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.":
after the description of the MOTHER, after the description of the FATHER, here is the description of the SON. His only characteristic is his future role: a MIGTHY RULER of the entire WORLD.

As you see, we have two signs in heaven for two parents to welcome the Male Child...on earth. It takes only one verse each to be introduced with their respective signs: Star of David alignement and Perseids.

Not only the crown of 12 stars on the woman's head indicates her royalty (how many Christian monarchies do you know in our modern age?), but also the flag of Europe with its 12 stars where United Kingdom belongs to, but it also points out what we have to search for in the 12 constellations, that is to say the 12 signs of the zodiac: the Star of David alignment on July 22 2013.

And the Star of David alignment is a specific configuration of all the planets' positions in one of the 12 constellations / 12 signs (6 different signs in that particular case). The latter, through the woman's crown of 12 stars, were therefore 'hidding' the said 'sign in heaven'.

The goal of the first verses of Rev 12 is to give hints of WHO and WHEN. Because people only focus on the woman to speak about the Male Child - Christ - they forget that there always is a father to have the conception of a child. Otherwise the angel wouldn't have needed ANOTHER sign in heaven.

My point is that, in the September 2017 Virgo configuration, the two signs are but ONE at a given time (a global configuration) while in our case they are TWO different signs as mentioned in Rev 12: a planetary configuration to make the Star of David + a meteor shower independant from this planetary configuration.

They both confirm each other for this very unique moment of the birth when both, the woman and the red dragon, are involved: the MOTHER to give birth to him; the FATHER to assist and to 'devour' the Male Child in the secular British royal tradtion.

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posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 01:39 AM
We recently saw that the 7 angels with their 7 plagues are associated with their corresponding sign in heaven, that is to say the 7 planets alignement in 2024. Again, nothing is given for 'free' in the Book of Revelation. The sign of Christ's Coming, the SON of Man, in Matthew 24:30 is the third sign of the Apocalypse, in Rev 15:1 (the two first signs being the Star of David (MOTHER) and the Perseids (FATHER)):

15 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.

There can NOT be two different '7 angels' in the same book. It happens that Christ says this in Revelation 1:

20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

So, the 7 angels are the 7 stars. Needless to say that the 7 planets - Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune - look like stars in heaven from our human's perspective, i.e. seen from earth in the sky.

We also saw that the 7 churches are the 7 fractal periods of the Christian era ending on August 21 2017, day of the great American solar eclipse, and last day of the LEO sign.

We saw that these 7 fractal periods correspond to the 7 kinds of rewards for the 144,000 elect with the following challenges:

originally posted by: John4564
Additive rewards & challenges:

1) EPHESUS: 1,000 years = 34 -> 1033 - Heaven. FAITH & LOVE.

2) SMYRNA: 1034 -> 1533 - Rapture. FAITH & RESISTANCE.

3) PERGAMUM: 1534 -> 1783 - Technology & Knowledge. FAITH & KNOWLEDGE.

4) THYATIRA: 1784 -> 1908 - Political Power. FAITH & RIGHTEOUSNESS.

5) SARDIS: 1909 -> 1970 - Body of Light. FAITH & COMMITMENT.

6) PHILADELPHIA: 1971 -> 2002 - Spiritual Power. FAITH & PATIENCE.

7) LAODICEA: 2003 -> 2017 - Throne of Christ. FAITH & ABSOLUTISM.

In the order, beyond the mandatory true FAITH in Christ, there are: LOVE, RESISTANCE, KNOWLEDGE, RIGHTEOUSNESS, COMMITMENT, PATIENCE and ABSOLUTISM.

The 7 lampstands / 7 churches, related to the 7 planets as the 7 stars / 7 angels of these 7 churches, are therefore the 7 virtues to find inside oneself related to these 7 planets!

It happens that each of these 7 planets are said to represent specific psychological virtues:


Mercury represents the principle of mind, thinking, and the movement or exchange of ideas through speaking, writing, and other forms of communication...


Venus represents the principle of love and beauty. Venus rules the desire to be involved in romantic and social relations, to attract and be attracted to others, to engage in artistic activities, to seek harmony and aesthetic or sensuous pleasure...


Mars represents the principle of energetic force. It symbolizes that part of the psyche which impels us to act, to assert ourselves, to struggle, to press forward and against, to be courageous and vigorous, to be competitive or combative...


Jupiter represents the principle of expansion and success. It governs the tendency to expand and grow, to elevate and uplift, to seek that which is better or higher, to improve and magnify, to incorporate that which is external, to make larger wholes...


Saturn represents the principle of limit, structure, and necessity. It governs the material world, time, tradition, the past, aging, death, and the endings of things...


Uranus represents the principle of change, of freedom, rebellion, and revolution. It is associated with unexpected phenomena of all kinds, with sudden surprises and awakenings, with breakthroughs--intellectual, psychological, spiritual...


Neptune is the archetype of the transcendent, of ideal reality, of imagination and the spiritual. It represents the ocean of consciousness that dissolves all boundaries between self and other, between self and universe, between self and God, and between this concrete reality and other realities...

As you can see, Revelation 1 confirms Revelation 15 and conversely. The 7 angels are the 7 planets! The 7 lampstands are the 7 virtues of the 7 churches / 7 fractal periods, virtues that everyone has to develop, provided that:



Of course, the 7 churches exhortations / virtues to reach, are available for both the 144,000 (present on earth since Jesus' time) and the Great Multitude. As one can see, a large range of 'skills' is necessary, with LOVE as a pre-requisite! This clearly shows that these skills correspond to a vital necessity, those of a balanced and posperous City of God, aka the New Jerusalem! Again, it is a down to earth project for an enlightened civilization.

posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 04:29 AM
This revelation of the 7 angels being the 7 stars, being the 7 planets, is of utmost importance.

It is not surprising that the sign of the Son of Man is actually the 7 planets alignment in 2024 for this sign is what defines the selection of the 144,000 and the Great Multitude through the 7 virtues / 7 lampstands / 7 churches. The 7 churches locations forming the Greek letter PI are indeed related to the moment the Male Child was born on 22th of July past 16 o'clock, that is to say 3.1416 (provided that 22/7 = 3.14, with 16 o'clock making 3.1416 = PI).

This year 2024 therefore confirms the whole calendar of the endtimes presented in this thread.

But we have more.

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

This reminds us something else:

Revelation 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

The same way the 24 elders, aka the 24 constellations, surround the throne of God, in His mothership, the same way the 7 angels, aka the 7 planets, stand before God! See how the 24 elders and the 7 angels are PERSONIFIED since John has visions where symbols are put in 'motion' with some kind of 'individualism' to better emphize the solar system (the space actually) where the aliens are from!

This means that John sees all the main astrological / astronomical symbols around the earth, close to which lies the mothership 'flying' in the center of the solar system. That is why the four creatures are qualified as HUMAN and LIVING, to better distinguish them from those celestial bodies / constellations. These four human living creatures, aka the four angels, are of a different nature: THEY ARE FOUR PEOPLES!

But back to the 7 angels / 7 planets. First note that ONLY the Book of Revelation has 7 angels among the 66 books of the Bible:

Revelation 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

Revelation 15:1 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed.

Revelation 15:6 Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests.

Revelation 15:7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever.

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Revelation 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters.

Revelation 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

In these verses above there is not doubt that the 7 angels with the 7 trumpets are the same 7 angels with the 7 bowls, confirming:

1) the correspondences between the 7 sealed scroll (trumpets) and the little open scroll (bowls),

2) the correspondences between Rev 7 and Rev 14 (144,000 / Great Multitude), and, therefore,

3) the correspondence between the 4 first seals (4 horsemen) and the Four Living Creatures / Two Witnesses / Mother / Father / Son,

4) like for the 5th seal (antichrist's reign) and the 6th seal (asteroid impact + rapture by Christ).

But the point here is to see that, with the 7 angels being 7 planets, we can deduce the moment the 7 plagues (7 trumpets / 7 bowls) take place.

Indeed, the 7 plagues come in a period about 15 years long from 2032 to 2045. In that period, we must find the moment when each of the 7 planets are in conjonction with the earth, that is to say aligned. While it is very often with the 'rapid' planets (Mercury, Venus and Mars), it's another story with the 'slow' planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) if we add another Venus which is the 'minimum requirement' of the 7 churches.

If we take the order used above, following those of the 7 churches corresponding to the 7 plagues, and if we follow the same fractal law of the first seals (echoing the 7 churches) for this 15 years long period, we can get (note the alternance between fast and slow planets):


1) EPHESUS: LOVE. VENUS (fast): HAIL & FIRE (AFRICA). 2032 (3 months).







You can see here when there will be alignments between the earth, the sun and the considered planet you look for in each of the corresponding years.

Each year, earth 'crosses' about once the considered planet. You just have to know when in the year this happens.

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posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 04:38 AM
Are we talking again about those "self fulfilling prophesies" as they are written for the nearly illiterate to dicsern from nonsensical scripture written by men who were supposedly divinely inspired, but put into the text that anything man does cannot be trusted?.

posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 04:54 AM

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Are we talking again about those "self fulfilling prophesies" as they are written for the nearly illiterate to dicsern from nonsensical scripture written by men who were supposedly divinely inspired, but put into the text that anything man does cannot be trusted?.

The whole thread proves the exact opposite of your question. All is extremely accurate, logical and proved by history until now. But your question seems to prove that you didn't read it, did you? With all due respect.

Besides, the impending events I announced will prove, without the least doubt, what has been conveyed in this thread.

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posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 07:05 AM
When Christ says to John 7 times

'to the angel of the church in [name of the church] write...'

he is just defining the virtues of those, born in the said church period, who will be victorious in the given period, sometimes speaking about the virtue itself, sometimes about the lack of the expected related virtue.

But look how the first church, Ephesus, those of the love, starts after these words above:

'These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands'.

We know that each of the 7 churches has the description of one of the characteristics of Christ in Rev 1. But the first one just above, although not the first in the order given in Rev 1, mentions this very definition of Christ's sign and his 7 fractal periods. As one can imagine, Christ doesn't hold 7 angels, as people, in his right hand!

On the contrary, he can hold the 7 plagues of the 7 planets (stars) in his RIGHT HAND since they are the 7th seal in the 7 sealed scroll given by God in his right hand:

7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

The same way, Christ can walk among the 7 golden lampstands since they are the virtues to reach in the 7 fractal periods he foresees in spirit, hence the walk.

'Wait! What did he say?' you should ask yourself. 'Christ would be seated on the throne, and would be holding the 7 sealed scroll to give it to...Christ?'

'Something doesn't compute!'

This is where I lose 50% of the readers.

Remember the armor of those seated on the throne in Ezekiel 1, the very same throne of Rev 5 where him who sat on the throne gave the 7 sealed scroll, since we get the same four living creatures in both chapters?

Ezekiel 1:26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.

Ezekiel 1:27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him.

Do you remember that this throne is also called the throne of God?

Revelation 7:15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

Do you remember that Christ is, the same way, described with his waist, or chest:

Daniel 10:5 I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist.

Revelation 1:13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.

So, we are really talking about Christ seated on the throne of God!

But how could he be both on the throne and taking the 7 sealed scroll from himself?

Actually, the one receiving the 7 sealed scroll is...THE LAMB! The very same Lamb who has 7 horns and 7 eyes in Rev 5 for his direct relationship with the 7 kings George's British royal coat of Arms (a horn / an eye times 7), the 7 spirits of GOD sent out into the whole world by...GOD...CHRIST:

6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

All of this is still to come very shortly! Rev 4 and 5 are the 'future in heaven'. The point is that Prince George will receive the 7 sealed scroll and will be transformed into Christ himself. In other words, this is still to come.

You were certainly uncomfortable with the idea of Christ being one of the four living creatures. But it is clear that one of the four living creatures is the Lamb, and that the Lamb is one of the four angels. I could multiply the Bible quotes if you wish - you know I can provide them instantly - but the point is that the Lamb - Prince George as a Male Child - goes to God and his throne to receive the 7 sealed scroll and TO BECOME CHRIST HIMSELF, like JESUS BECAME CHRIST AT HIS BAPTISM!

And that's why, all of a sudden, you can read in Revelation 22:

Revelation 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.

God Christ and the Lamb, Prince George, will merge as ONE PERSON, like Jesus and Christ have merged as ONE PERSON 2,000 years ago!

In all the phases as one of the four living creatures, Prince George is not Christ yet, like the future Two Witnesses won't be the Two Witnesses yet, and Charlotte the Cherub. Once it's done, they'll be called angels, or Lamb (to make the distinction with the former offered Lamb - Jesus - of the past) in the PROPHETIC Book of Revelation.

Details are sometimes troubling...except when one has the chronology in mind.
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posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 08:55 AM
Of course, when I hear 'Christ comes the 5th', it is about the present Christ, before he becomes one with Prince George since we, the future Two Witnesses, must leave first, then the four Windsors, then we return both us four, except that the two parents will be the Two Witnesses as former two Orleans citizens.

This seems complicated, but if you think twice, you will see that the two children, George and Charlotte, are still virgin of the adults' world, while the parents are not, especially in the British royal firm. And given the mission to fulfill, it is not easy to just disregard a millennia of British royalty to fully obey God's commands.

posted on Jul, 30 2017 @ 11:59 PM
I saw that my graph wasn't clear about the four periods of the antichrist's reign in page 5:

originally posted by: John4564

Second, we have four durations for the antichrist:

- 1,344 days = 5th seal period (2 x 672 days of the 4th seal). LOGIC OF THE DOUBLING LAW.

- 1,335 days = deadline, for the impact area, before the distress (asteroid impact). DANIEL 12:12.

- 1,290 days = total period of the antichrist. DANIEL 12:11.

- 1,281 days = 42 months of the reign of the antichrist. REVELATION 11:1 / REVELATION 12:14.

Surprisingly, we notice that:

1,344 - 1,335 = 9 days.
1,290 - 1,281 = 9 days.

This therefore gives us this following time configuration, where the 9 days are those between the death of the Two Witnesses and the rise of the antichrist per se, and the 45 days those between the defeat of the antichrist and the asteroid impact, 45 days when the false messiahs and the false prophets (Fallen Angels) will try to convince you not to board the benevolent ET ships to go to the New Jerusalem:

Here is the right graph:

|_________________5th seal_________________|

|_______________1,344 days_________________|
|_9 days_|____________1,335 days____________|

|___________1,290 days__________|__54 days__|
|_9 days_|_______1,281 days______|

So, this is not 45 days but 54 days during which the Fallens Angels, orphans of their leader Satan, will play the false messiahs and false prophets to deceive even the elect, trying to convince people that the coming aliens are evil to prevent the chosen ones to board benevolent ET ships for the rapture, 54 days before the DISTRESS never seen before, the asteroid impact (probably in USA, then allied with Harry / Satan, to brutally cut short those days of Tribulations).

That's why Christ says in Daniel 12:12:

12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

Christ wants to tell us all that this Distress will prove the end of the antichrist and the beginning of the rapture of the Great Multitude (except those selected in the impact area taken before that impact in the 54 days mentioned above).

In other words, in the case you are not 1) among the 144,000 taken before the antichrist's reign, or 2) among those taken from the impact area after the antichrist's reign, you will be blessed for having waited and reached that day of the asteroid impact (around October 7 2024) for it will be the last sign that the rapture is near.

Before that event, the sign of the Christ's Coming will be this major 7 planets alignment from early February 2024 to late May 2024! Note that from June 2024 to September 2024, there will be only 4 months.

As you have understood, DO NOT WAIT TO BE TAKEN BEFORE OCTOBER 2024, BUT FROM THAT MOMENT TO THE YEAR 2031, unless you are among those mentioned in 1) and 2) above.

Blessings to you my dear fellows.

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 12:41 AM
In my post about the quatrain X-72 of Nostradamus speaking about the return of Christ (August 2017), I forgot to mention something important.

As you know, the Gregorian calendar started on October 15 1582, that is to say 16 years after Nostradamus' death. That means that Nostradamus still used the Julian calendar.

The difference between the two calendars is now about 13 days.

So, when Nostradamus speaks about the month 7, for July, he implicitely speaks about HIS Julian month 7 which actually is, once converted for us, the following Gregorian period:

JULY 14 to AUGUST 13.

That means that AUGUST 5, in Christ comes the 5th, is still in the Nostradamus' 7th month!

A little reminder below:

originally posted by: John4564
.../...Now, for those who don't speak French:

1) NEUF means 9 or NEW.

2) L'AN MIL NEUF means THE NEW MILLENNIUM (2,000 for Nostradamus living in the 16th century).

3) CENS NONANTE NEUF means 199.

4) SEPT MOIS means 7th MONTH or 7 MONTHS (mois is singular and plural in the same time). But here is the 'anagram', a very simple change of the order of the words: MONTH 7! With this 'tiny' change of order, we then get 199 month(s) 7.

So, we get: AT THE NEW MILLENNIUM, AND 199 MONTH(S) 7...

199 months = 16.583 years = 2016 + (12 months x 0.583 years) = 16 years + 7 months EXACTLY!

Or, said differently: 16 x 12 months = 192 + 7 = 199 months.

Which make FULL JULY 2017!

To conclude, the quatrain X-72 of Nostradamus means:

At the new millennium, and 199 month(s) 7 (beyond the month 7=AUG 2017).
From the heaven will come a great king who chases away fright. (fights Satan)
To resurrect Christ as the Great King of England.
Before and after the war [WWIII], [he] will reign at an early age. [by good luck]


This 'little' change in the order of the words 'seven' and 'month', in the first sentence, is a wink to the readers because of the order switch in English (for the Great King of the Anglois / English), compared to the French grammar, between nouns and adjectives. Here the word 'seven' is the 'adjective' of the 'noun' 'month'.

So, in other words, should it be the Julian month 7, or beyond the Gregorian month 7, we still are ON TIME with the private prophecy given to me in October 31 2016: Christ comes the 5th! (of August), related to the month 7.

posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 03:30 AM
The same way I showed that the 7 stars that Christ holds in his right hand are parts of the 7 sealed scroll (7th seal / 7 angels and plagues):

Rev 1:16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Rev 2:1 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

directly linked to him who sits on the throne (of God):

7 He [the Lamb] went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.

the same way the keys of Death, Hades and David (linking William, Catherine and George as already showed) that Christ holds (implicitely in the same right hand) are parts of the same 7 sealed scroll (4th seal / 4th horseman):

Rev 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Rev 3:7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Rev 5:5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.

Rev 6:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

As you know, Death and Hades are mentioned in the 4th seal (Pale Horseman), aka the WWIII with William and Kate.

This means that Christ sits on the Throne of God to then become the Lamb himself (root of David), but this also means that the 7 sealed scroll is announced twice (7 stars & keys), in the very FIRST chapter (!), as HIS DECISIONS in terms of WHO, WHAT and WHEN.

Note that the keys speak about people - HIS CHOSEN FIGURES - while the 7 stars speaks about 7 planets - HIS CHOSEN MEANS. As Root and Offspring of David he is personally involved!

But above all, the keys like the stars are about his personal involvement in the destruction of humanity through his chosen ways.

So, the imaginary illusion of a full forgiveness for us all is just so wrong. This is the exact opposite. These two intentionally selected 'samples' (4th and 7th seals) among the 7 seals, from the 7 sealed scroll, don't even include the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th seal, i.e. the 'details' of his Coming, the War in Heaven, the Rapture of the 144,000, Satan's reign and the Rapture of the Great Multitude.

This shows the psychology of Christ when he returns. He comes first to destroy! Hence his name in Rev 9:11 - Abaddon / Appolyon - THE DESTROYER!

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