Mitch McConnell Says That If Repeal Fails - TaxPayers Will Need To RESCUE ObamaCare.

a reply to: carewemust

We've kinda gone back n forth over hybrid medicaid as single payer standin which under current cost structure bankrupt nation not far down road.

The way you described in post I'm answering is something I could agree with as its in conjunction with free market system we should have.

All that remains in way is to break the strangle hold of lobbyists on our political system and apply existing laws.

I have doubts we'll ever see that.

Congress who's completely at fault will likely sidestep it's responsibility as the media is salivating about laying this on Trump especially since Muh Russia is boomeranging back. They'll need replacement meme - what better is there!

RINO's in loose cooperation with those across the aisle probably in pure cynicism and spite look forward to the sacrifice of those dependant on PPACA rather than give administration any semblance of success.

This is going to get very bad all way around.

Thinking Trumps time to use bully pulpit is due.

Looks like a full repeal is back on track:

www.axios.com...

Senator Mcconnell quoted:

His statement: "Regretfully, it is now apparent that the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failure of Obamacare will not be successful. So, in the coming days, the Senate will vote to take up ... a repeal of Obamacare with a two-year delay to provide for a stable transition period to a patient-centered health care system that gives Americans access to quality, affordable health care."

a reply to: Phoenix

A big unknown in my mind, is how Republican voters will view a Republican-Democrat partnership that ends of saving ObamaCare. Keeping the ObamaCare/ACA name in tact, but with many billions of tax-payer dollars used to "shore up" the state ObamaCare exchanges over the next 2 months.

I don't know if Republican voters will care that their leaders broke their promise to Repeal. After all, I've heard the phrase, "All politicians lie" since I was a kid in the 1970's. Maybe they'll be forgiven, because most Americans understand that ObamaCare does save lives.

"Trump's Vietnam", might be a accurate depiction of what he's faced with at this point. What can he do from the "Bully Pulpit", Phoenix? I thought that only worked with a President who enjoyed a wide base of popularity.

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Looks like a full repeal is back on track:

www.axios.com...

Senator Mcconnell quoted:

His statement: "Regretfully, it is now apparent that the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failure of Obamacare will not be successful. So, in the coming days, the Senate will vote to take up ... a repeal of Obamacare with a two-year delay to provide for a stable transition period to a patient-centered health care system that gives Americans access to quality, affordable health care."

Great find! Thanks for keeping us current up-to-the-minute, BuckWhizzle.

What do you think a 2 year Repeal Delay amounts to? Sounds like that gives a lot of ammunition to Democrats for scaring the public about what's coming.

It is not democrats, as most people know. It's the governors, red and blue, that want to fix Obamacare. And since trump was elected their constituents want to fix Obamacare.

a reply to: carewemust

Well,it looks like it's over before it started:
www.bloomberg.com...

GOP Senators Susan Collins, Shelley Moore Capito and Lisa Murkowski said Tuesday they’ll oppose a repeal of the Affordable Care Act. McConnell said late Monday the Senate would vote on a repeal with a two-year delay to give Congress time to agree on a replacement, but he could afford to lose no more than two Republican votes to advance the measure.

"There’s enough chaos and uncertainty already and this would just contribute to it," Murkowski told reporters. She said she wants a fix that would stabilize individual insurance markets and leave Medicaid unchanged, and that lawmakers should work on a bipartisan measure in committee.

You can't even come up with a half-a$$ed bill to begin with!?What a bunch of morons.Talk about the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

a reply to: buckwhizzle


To echo Hillary Clinton's words...The Republican Leadership is "DEPLORABLE"!

a reply to: carewemust

The Congress is logjam for either repeal/replace, straight repeal that's not a repeal anyway as its just defunding bill leaving actual law intact.

So what's in PPACA law and regulations that Trump can make executive decisions on. Especially any "emergency" provisions.

My bet is plenty just by nature it was written.

Good start would be finding way to remove congressional exemptions.

Meh!

a reply to: Phoenix


Yes.. HHS Secretary Tom Price has a lot of power, when it comes to changing aspects of ObamaCare. But since the law has grown to over 20,000 pages of intertwining rules and regulations, if he adjusts one part, it affects many others..for better and for worse, simultaneously.

For example, before leaving Washington, the Obama Administration enacted a quick and dirty ACA rule that prohibited Short Term Major Medical plans from lasting more than 3 months. This effectively killed off a rapidly growing alternative to ObamaCare for healthy people.

Obama's HHS also wanted to come after the rapidly growing Christian Medical Care Sharing groups. Those were exempted from ObamaCare rules and restrictions. But thankfully, they never got around to tinkering with them.

a reply to: carewemust

...and life went on before the ACA. Sorry, but these are personal issues, NOT tax payers concerns. Kill the GD law.

a reply to: buckwhizzle

I think that a lot of Republicans don't want to gamble on that. They have all three branches of government right now, and even both houses of Congress. A repeal with a 2 year transition period just puts health care back on the ballot in 2018. Are Republicans supposed to seriously run on that? They just won on health care, they'll squander it if they implement a change that says they have to win again in 2018 to make it happen.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: carewemust

The Congress is logjam for either repeal/replace, straight repeal that's not a repeal anyway as its just defunding bill leaving actual law intact.

So what's in PPACA law and regulations that Trump can make executive decisions on. Especially any "emergency" provisions.

My bet is plenty just by nature it was written.

Good start would be finding way to remove congressional exemptions.

Meh!

Defunding is never going to work because it leaves the law in place. It's just begging for Democrats to choose to refund it with 51 votes the moment they have power.

It's looking like REPEAL with a 2 year delay for REPLACE has a shot today. A long-shot, but nevertheless, something must be done.

www.nbcnews.com...



RE: www.desmoinesregister.com...
If Medica Insurance Company leaves IOWA, I think the state will be bare. That can NOT be allowed.

originally posted by: carewemust
It's looking like REPEAL with a 2 year delay for REPLACE has a shot today. A long-shot, but nevertheless, something must be done.

www.nbcnews.com...



RE: www.desmoinesregister.com...
If Medica Insurance Company leaves IOWA, I think the state will be bare. That can NOT be allowed.

I'm skeptical of it still. This is basically the Republicans saying that the house, senate, presidency, and supreme court aren't enough power for them to do anything about health care, instead they also need 60 in the senate so they need to push it past the midterms and be voted even more power. I think that's completely ridiculous, and I bet a lot of people will agree with me come election day.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: carewemust

The Congress is logjam for either repeal/replace, straight repeal that's not a repeal anyway as its just defunding bill leaving actual law intact.

So what's in PPACA law and regulations that Trump can make executive decisions on. Especially any "emergency" provisions.

My bet is plenty just by nature it was written.

Good start would be finding way to remove congressional exemptions.

Meh!

I repeat my words above,

Add,

This shows right here, right now how badly they are all bought off and none of them Republican or Democrat represent the voters at all.

Good case for political donations limited to individual doners with no more than $1000 per candidate per election cycle.

No corporate money, special intestinal group - no nothing but from an individual.

Folks this has got to stop!!!!

a reply to: Phoenix


Who would pass such a resolution to limit political donations? Congress is working (in quiet) to give themselves an additional $2,500 monthly housing stipend.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Phoenix


Who would pass such a resolution to limit political donations? Congress is working (in quiet) to give themselves an additional $2,500 monthly housing stipend.

They should get it. Members of Congress are ridiculously underpaid. I know that's not a popular sentiment but it's true.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Phoenix


Who would pass such a resolution to limit political donations? Congress is working (in quiet) to give themselves an additional $2,500 monthly housing stipend.

They should get it. Members of Congress are ridiculously underpaid. I know that's not a popular sentiment but it's true.

Oh my goodness. They haven't given themselves a raise in 8 years. Still making only $174,000.
Source - en.wikipedia.org...

I'd take that for only having to report to work 138 days a year!

Thursday July 27, 2017 10:35pm CDT

OK. The moment has arrived. LATE Tonight, Senators will be voting on a "skinny" repeal of ObamaCare. If it passes, and is signed into law AFTER the House adds it's amendments, the Affordable Care Act will be replaced by the HEALTH CARE FREEDOM ACT.

Written Analysis of bill: healthaffairs.org...

Text of just released bill: www.budget.senate.gov...

-cwm

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
a reply to: carewemust

Well,it looks like it's over before it started:
www.bloomberg.com...

GOP Senators Susan Collins, Shelley Moore Capito and Lisa Murkowski said Tuesday they’ll oppose a repeal of the Affordable Care Act. McConnell said late Monday the Senate would vote on a repeal with a two-year delay to give Congress time to agree on a replacement, but he could afford to lose no more than two Republican votes to advance the measure.

"There’s enough chaos and uncertainty already and this would just contribute to it," Murkowski told reporters. She said she wants a fix that would stabilize individual insurance markets and leave Medicaid unchanged, and that lawmakers should work on a bipartisan measure in committee.

You can't even come up with a half-a$$ed bill to begin with!?What a bunch of morons.Talk about the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

What traitors to liberty.