POLICE bust Child Porn website with 87,000 users!

originally posted by: intrptr
Well yah, mostly (as it turns out) because it was done to them when they were young.
No excuse really,

Then why mention it?

Abusers have no credibility, they lost that when they chose to abuse another human. I was abused, haven't abused anyone. I've known several survivors, they haven't abused anyone either. I don't buy that BS pedo excuse.

Claiming a personal history of childhood abuse after the fact is meaningless, comes off as a desperate act to garner sympathy. Seeking help prior to offending might lend credibility/sympathy but If they act out, they've chosen to be subhuman. They will parasitically feed off society at every opportunity without 24/7 supervision or death to stop them.

I'm not saying abusers haven't been abused in some way, they're definitely warped as hell but claiming pedophilia stems from being a helpless victim is a slap in the face of survivors who never hurt a soul.

I confronted my abuser, he claimed he was never sexually abused. I suspected he was but never witnessed it myself, although I did see him physically/mentally abused. The nature of the abuse we experienced evolved. When he got older, physical abuse for him stopped, instead he was encouraged to abuse me. I was expected to play the role of compliant victim. Imo that's why he became a pedo and I didn't.

My abuse started out physical and turned sexual when beatings no longer provided a good enough thrill. Sexual abuse pushed his buttons, became his preferred method of abuse/control. It was the absolute worst thing, aside from murder, he could do to a human.

He was all about violence and opportunity. Children/women were easy victims although he enjoyed physically abusing/humiliating weak men too. Just an all around nasty, poor excuse of a human being, nothing was taboo.

Imo whatever abuse was inflicted on him as a child wasn't as significant/damaging as encouraging his graduation from abuse victim to abuser. Our parent set him up to abuse me so they wouldn't have to or it was more satisfying, not sure.

It's a twisted family dynamic that breeds these subhuman aberrations. We should take care to place blame on those who choose sick behaviors over healing. Abuse survivors don't enjoy their injured state, they want more than anything to heal/lead normal lives. Even if they indulge in self destructive behavior they never assume the role of abuser but pedos do.

The two come from very different places, pedos enjoy indulging in sick behaviors, healing is the last thing they want. They feel superior/entitled and like being in charge. That kind of power isn't easily relinquished. Sexual abuse survivors typically don't feel superior or in charge because they never were. Imo pedos were groomed to be abusers very young because it suited a twisted adult. Just my opinion based on my own experiences.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Wouldn't it be nice if we could re-boot and erase?

They are on the verge of being able to do this. In my opinion, it will lead to worse. Imagine people who can abuse children with knowledge it will all be erased from them later.

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: eNumbra

Many in our society(and I can't honestly say I blame them) think anyone with the predilection should be summarily executed, or even tortured gruesomely, whether the pedophile in question has ever acted on the desires or not.

from my point of view, this is out of a deep, core love people have for their children, and children in general. i have no issue with these sentiments. i think this is an appropriate reaction.

if you knew someone was a pedophile (but has never acted on it that you know of), and if you had children, would you feel comfortable having them interact? i'd bet money that even if you agreed to have both of them in the same space, you'd want total visibility and control over how they communicate.."

Of course not, as I said, I don't blame anyone for the sentiment they bear; but I disagree that anyone should be killed for simply existing.

a reply to: revmoofoo

It's not just about what they're watching, it's about the type of people doing the watching.

Maybe all that 'watching' I.e. television 'programming' helped create the problem thru conditioning in the first place.

Ever think of that?

a reply to: intrptr

Many times, however blaming TV is a proper cop-out.

Rev

a reply to: SeaWorthy

As a Christian, I have to say we shall not kill, but at what point do we hold someone who seeks out the crime as part of the process?

Given that we are supposedly supposed to forgive or at least not judge others...

As a "christian" you know where it says, ' there is a time to kill '.

But again in the end when we come before the (as a christian) "Judgement", how are we rated for our behavior, what did we do in the face of injustice, mete injustice back or forgive?

Going to need a lot of new prisons, could help with employment for general public also in building new prisons, this polotics is easy if you use common sense, lets see what actually happens to this scum

originally posted by: revmoofoo
a reply to: intrptr

Many times, however blaming TV is a proper cop-out.

Your scenario addressed the already borderline personality being pushed or tempted to act by 'seeing it on tv'.

So in that case it helped. But to punish (kill even) others (all 87.000) for merely viewing it is 'over the top', imo.

originally posted by: revmoofoo
I have been abused for most of my life and I didn't become a sexual predator of any sort. So why should previous abuse even count? S

I don't know. I only read the research, and not conduct it. However, it's clear that some behaviours are conditioned and the abuse of kids - in whatever form - can cause ongoing psychological issues. The bullied who suffers from low esteem and depression for life, or the bullied who becomes a bully in later life, or the bullied who continues with no lasting effects.

While there is no excuse for abuse, the reasons an abused becomes and abuser are deeply psychological and individual, at least it seems that way from the research.

Anyway, I know that the abused don't always become the abuser. However, the research shows that there is a greater tendency for that to happen.

a reply to: Morningglory

Then why mention it?

Abusers have no credibility, they lost that when they chose to abuse another human. I was abused, haven't abused anyone.

Because the people watching child porn didn't make the child porn anymore than people watching sensationalized murder on TV are guilty of murder.

And that comment originally was addressed at those here calling for their slow death behind it, why I said, should Germany bring back the camps?

a reply to: intrptr

But the people who view the images enable the whole process by asking for more images or sharing the ones they have. So the enablers are just as bad as the abusers because of their symbiotic relationship.

Rev

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: SeaWorthy

As a Christian, I have to say we shall not kill, but at what point do we hold someone who seeks out the crime as part of the process?

Given that we are supposedly supposed to forgive or at least not judge others...

As a "christian" you know where it says, ' there is a time to kill '.

But again in the end when we come before the (as a christian) "Judgement", how are we rated for our behavior, what did we do in the face of injustice, mete injustice back or forgive?

We also can judge behaviors just not people.

Jesus follows up his warning against judgment with an explanation—we will all be judged by the same measure that we use. If we cannot hold to the standard we use, we have no business applying that standard to others.

Thus the Redwood needs to come out of our eye to pluck the toothpick from another :-)

In the immediately following verse, Jesus requires good judgment: “Don’t give what is holy to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before swine.” Wouldn’t this require identifying who the “dogs” and “swine” are? What about identifying the “wolves in sheep’s clothing,” whom we “will know from their fruits” in 7:15–20? Elsewhere in Matthew (chapter 18), Jesus lays out guidelines for dealing with a “brother who sins,” involving a progression from showing him his error in private to taking the matter before the whole community. In the same vein, Paul repeatedly emphasizes the church’s responsibility to judge its members (though, interestingly, not the world; cf. 1 Cor 5–6, et al.).

This should say judge members behavior Not the person we don't know their heart.
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Morningglory

Then why mention it?

Abusers have no credibility, they lost that when they chose to abuse another human. I was abused, haven't abused anyone.

Because the people watching child porn didn't make the child porn anymore than people watching sensationalized murder on TV are guilty of murder.

And that comment originally was addressed at those here calling for their slow death behind it, why I said, should Germany bring back the camps?

If you were watching REAL murder on TV I think you would be guilty as the producers.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Exactly my point! Well said!

Rev

a reply to: paraphi

Anyway, I know that the abused don't always become the abuser. However, the research shows that there is a greater tendency for that to happen.

Like a test, I am hurt do I want to cause the same hurt to innocent others or do I want to protect anyone else from feeling that hurt.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

I've only met people like me who want to protect the children. I don't know what I'd do or say if I met a former victim who wanted to follow in their abusers footsteps.

It boggles my tiny-wee mind.

Rev

a reply to: intrptr

Merkel's too busy rounding up people who make Nazi Jokes.

a reply to: WhyDidIJoin

I'm in real trouble then as I've been mocking a Nazi on Twitter all evening...

Rev

a reply to: facedye

This is what happens when the concept of shame and guilt go out the window and we expect the government to legislate morality.

I blame Jerry Springer, although the trash was brought out to mock, just the fact that people lacked any shame and were celebrated (even through jeers) being "out there" and "letting your freak flag fly" became the thing to do.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: intrptr

Maybe not public but they've certainly earned a death sentence.

The difference is they've done something to deserve such a fate.

Personally I think those willingly accessing or in possession of child pornography, unless they have a very good excuse should be hanged no more than 72 hours after their trial, no appeal...

No i would just dump all pedophiles and murders on a empty Pacific Islands and leave them there.

Or better yet carve out a giant cavan in the ground and throw them all in it and let them live in complete darkness with no hope of ever escaping, throwing just enough food to feed half of them to they fight each over it