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SERVICE FLIGHTS LAUNCHED DURING THE MOGUL PROGRAM
During the course of the project, balloon flights were split into two general classifications, (a) research and (b) service.
Research flights were made to test balloon controls and telemetering systems developed under the contract....
Service flights were carried out by the New York University personnel in conjunction with technical personnel from the sponsoring agency to test geophysical equipment developed in Air Force laboratories. The requirement for these flights were launching and tracking of balloons to float at specific altitudes for short periods of time (6 to 8 hours).
Charles Moore Interview:
Q: So it would have to be in the June field trip, early in June. You had several service and flights but you also had, you called them experimental flights. The experimental flights with the testing...
A: The ones in early June were all service flights. In other words, all flights we were making for Peoples, and had some radar test flights.
TIMING OF CRASHED SAUCER AND MOGUL/SERVICE FLIGHT LAUNCHES
- Crashed Flying Saucer -
- Balloon Launches -
c. 1. GENERAL WORK ACCOMPLISHED
Field tests were conducted at Alamogordo Army Air Base during the week of June 1, using clusters of meteorological balloons. The primary object of these tests was to perfect handling and launching techniques for large flights and to check the operation of various altitude controlling devices developed for this project.
Charles Moore Interview:
Q: So to go with the June 14th date (Brazel finding debris) what type of flight do you think would have...
A: All the balloons launched in that period would have been meteorological balloons, 350 grams meteorological balloons, some of them with radar targets just to test the radar out and some of them, I'd forgotten all about it, but Crary's diary said we had sonobouy microphones on some of them.
June 1 Sun. Left 0400, arrived in Alamogordo about 0930 - 800 miles to base from Houston. C-47 with Moore, Schneider and others from NYU. Also Ireland, Minton, Olsen, NYU men worked on balloons today in north hanger
June 2 Mon. Changed shooting plans to coordinate with balloon flights. Balloon all ready to go. Receiver on plane on ground...
June 4 Wed. Out to Tularosa Range and fired charges between 00 and 06 this am. No balloon flights again on account of clouds. Flew a regular sono bouy up in a cluster of balloons and had good luck on receiver on ground but poor on plane. Out with Thompson pm. Shot charges from 1800 to 2400.
MULTIPLE RADAR TARGET USE ON SERVICE FLIGHTS
Charles Moore Interview"
A: My memory is that Jim Peoples, because we were being sent down by B-17 and by air, didn't let us take the radiosonde receiving equipment which at the time was very heavy. It was like a 500 pound rack with a receiver, frequency meter, recorder, etc., and we weren't allowed to use that. Instead, the idea was that Peoples would provide tracking on the balloons with radar targets and so on. So this is where I think radar targets come in...
So I think we tried the radar targets, as I remember, our contact who was Captain Larry Dyvad found that they weren't able to track our flights at all. They had a radar that was entirely aimed at looking at missiles. To look at slow moving balloons with poor signal return was difficult for them. So we started off with making single target flights. I think we went to multiple target flights, and still didn't have any success...
SIMILARITY OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS OF FLYING DISC AND SERVICE/MOGUL FLIGHTS
- Flying Disc Material -
...little members, small members, solid members that could not bend or break, but it didn't look like metal. It looked more like wood.
You couldn't even tell you had it in your hands – just like you handle balsa wood.
stuff there that looked very much like parchment.
...when they came upon a large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.
When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks...
There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts. Considerable scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.
No strings or wire were to be found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used.
Mac Brazel July 9, 1947 newspaper interview
- Service/Mogul Flight Material -
Flight A through Flight 7 (Nov 20, 1946-July 2, 1947) were made with neoprene meteorological balloons.
Triangular shaped, aluminum foil backed on balsa frame.
Meteorology Parts And Technical Manual
Target ML307/AP is made of aluminum foil with wooden reinforcements to prevent collapse aloft.
Meteorologic Equipment Data Sheets
Direct PDF download Source
Revised Radar Target
Comparison Table of Saucer Parts to Target Parts:
PROXIMITY OF BALLOON LAUNCHES TO FLYING SAUCER CRASH SITE
June 5, 1947. ...B-17 and most personnel out to Roswell - recovered equipment some 25 mi east of Roswell....
Albert Crary's journal entry
August 21, 1947
2. It was first thought that balloons would ascend and descend within the confines of the White Sand presently assigned danger area and that no further authorization would be required; however the Subcommittee was advised by the University that balloons have been descending outside of the area in the vicinity of Roswell, NM. It, therefore, appeared that there was a certain amount of hazard to aircraft encountered in the descent of this equipment.
- Summation -
WEATHER BALLOON AND MOGUL FLIGHT DIFFERENCES
- Jesse Marcel, being in the Air Force, would have certainly recognized a weather balloon!
- Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these.
I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon, he said.
The Differences -- Re: 1940's
PURPLE/PINK MARKINGS ON TAPE AND THE LETTERS
...some of those they had little markings, a two-color markings as I recall – like Chinese writing to me. Nothing you could make any sense out of."
Considerable Scotch tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction.
I remember so clearly when the contractor for these targets was selected, and Jack (Peterson) thought it was the biggest joke in the world that they had to go to a toy manufacturer to make these targets. Then it was an even bigger joke when it turned out that because of wartime scarcities of materials, the tape that they had used to assemble these targets, the reflecting material on the balsa frames, was some kind of a pinkish purple tape with heart and flower designs on it. This was, again, a big flap.
I do remember every time I prepared one of these targets for flight, I always wondered why these figures were on the tape. There was always a question of why they were there. When this purplish-pink marking on the debris came up, I immediately remember this sort of marking.
I have specific recollection of reinforcing tape applied to the seams of the reflectors that had some symbols like arcs, flowers, circles, and diamonds. They were pinkish in color.
LETTERS ON THE DEBRIS
There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts.
PROPERTIES OF THE MATERIAL
they simply could not reconstruct it all. They tried to make a kite out of it, but could not do that and could not find a way to put it back together so that it would fit.
Brazel said that he had previously found two weather balloons on the ranch, but what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these.
- The Support Sticks/Beams -
I think some of the balsa wood was dipped in something like Elmer's glue, and as a result had some sort of glue coating on it which would make it somewhat resistant to burning.
...balsa wood beams that were coated in an "Elmer's-type" glue to enhance their durability...
- Foil-like Material -
I can think of no other explanation for Roswell than one of our early June service flight balloons.
originally posted by: Stanton Friedman
I have talked to Colonel Halt, Peter Robbins, Larry Warren, Georgina Bruni, Nick Pope aand others about Rendlesham mostly in the UK. I am satisfied that this was a real flying saucer event and that the criticsms don't stand up. The basic government line in the UK and the USA is that there are no alien visitors so one can't admit that any are here and have landed. Left at East Gate is a good book.
Mogul was known about back in 1980 when Bill Moore and I were researching the Roswell Incident as described in The Roswell Incident.
USAF Colonel Richard Weaver wrote the huge 1994 Report "The Roswell Report: Truth Vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert" He provided the fiction ,not only lying but with selective choice of data. even lying about me and Major Marcel. I wrote a long paper about what was wrong with the Mogul explanation. The History channel on Oct. 10 showed a huge polyethelene Balloon.. NONSENSE, Mogul Balloon trains prior to July 7, 1947 included 20-25 small neorpene balloons at 20' intervals, sonobuoys, radar reflectors etc. The characteristics of the balloons don't match at all witness descriptions from Major Marcel, his son Dr. Jesse Marcel, The rancher's testimony, his son's testimony etc clearly are not of MOGUL.. The Mogul program was cancelled decades ago because it wasn't a great idea. Evidence of the 1st Soviet nuclear test came from air sampling by military planes after the August 1949 first Soviet nuclear test.. not from Mogul. Colonel Weaver's specialty was, not surprisingly, Disinformation.
When queried the offical view is careflly worded propaganda.. no sighting investigated evaluated by the USAF gives any evidence of being a threatto the security of the USA.. neither do the penguins in Antactica.. but they also are real.
The USAF does not have in its possession any flying saucers.. so if the Army, Navy, NSA, MJ_12 did, it would still be a true but meaningless statement. The USAF has no evidence that UFOs represent technology beyond our knowledge . I worked on nuclear fusion 42 years ago.. it is not beyond our knowledge. In short there is lots of denial echoed by SETI Cultists (SETI stands for Silly Effort to Investigate) as I noted in a recent column in the MUFON Journal
Brazel called it a "disk" because he was trying to collect a $3000 reward for a disk, so that explains where the "disk" idea came from, it was just reward oriented phrasing. The FBI memo put "Disc" in quotes indicating they didn't necessarily think that was an accurate description. Before Brazel found out about the $3000 reward, he didn't think much of what he found and told his daughter Bessie who was helping him pick it up it was "just a bunch of garbage".
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
If the Army back then had found the pile of foil and sticks as shown in a retraction story, then how could they have possibly mistaken that rubbish for a flying saucer that was said that they found, and a General was the one to first give the okay on that story?.. I know first hand what liars military brass can be. They still haven't changed much.
Wasn't a balloon they first found. They found a balloon later after getting it, (oh look what we just found), so they could get pictures of it for the retraction story.
After reading that I fail to see how you can proclaim "Wasn't a balloon they first found."??
Because, what Bessie said was:
"The debris looked like pieces of a large balloon which had burst. The pieces were small, the largest I remember measuring about the same as the diameter of a basketball. Most of it was a kind of double-sided material, foil-like on one side and rubber-like on the other... Sticks, like kite sticks, were attacked to some of the pieces with a whitish tape. The tape was about two or three inches wide and had flower-like designs on it. The 'flowers' were faint, a variety of pastel colors... The foil-rubber material could not be torn like ordinary aluminum foil... I do not recall anything else about the strength or other properties of what we picked up. We spent several hours collecting the debris and putting it into sacks. I believe we filled about three sacks... We speculated a bit about what the material could be. I remember dad (Mac Brazel) saying 'Oh, it's just a bunch of garbage.' "
When Bessie was shown the November/December 1990 issue of the International UFO Reporter (IUR), Pages 6, 7, and 8 of that issue showed the Roswell photographs. She later wrote:
"The debris shown does look like the debris we picked up."
(Jan 10, 1994 letter from Bessie Brazel Schrieber)
Even Randle admits that those photographs are of ML-307 radar target(s) and weather sounding balloon(s).
So the debris from a supposed crashed alien spaceship looks exactly like ML-307 radar targets and weather sounding balloons!