Professor teaches students about ‘the problem that is whiteness"

I've read many of the replies and I am still left with the same impression. This is racism disguised as progression. I take many of your views into account. I see the possibilities on both sides but my experiences lead me to believe that this is purposeful indoctrination or ignorance leading to indoctrination.


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My biggest considerations are pretty complex. The differences between individual whites can be great. Just over half our population voted last election. Add that with a corrupt government letting the deep state make law and you realize the every day white man is being abused as well by the same people they get lumped in with.

It is cases like this that perpetuate racism in the US. Sure, whites are now only like 60% of the population, but numbered at 200 million, they are more numerous than ever before. Whites make weapons like F-22. They always control the military. Mindless insults on whites will only cause racism to worsen.

I smell a LOT of dog WHISTLE racism and FEAR in here.

In my LIFE I've met some HARDCORE racists.

They are always the LOUDEST folks claiming "racism is dead in America".

MEANWHILE they clutch their purse or LOCK their car door if a minority walks by.

a reply to: DanteGaland

I do that when anybody walks by, its called situation awareness. This is not a nice world we live in.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
It is cases like this that perpetuate racism in the US. Sure, whites are now only like 60% of the population, but numbered at 200 million, they are more numerous than ever before. Whites make weapons like F-22. They always control the military. Mindless insults on whites will only cause racism to worsen.

Are you suggesting that only "whites" make weapons like the f22 with a straight face?

SO...

Waving a rebel flag is patriotic...

Talking about racism is divisive...

GOT IT.

Is the professor right, unfortunately, she is very much correct that there is a real and viable problem in the world, where it comes to dealing with race relations. And there are studies that show such, along with recent history and current events that all point to such.

Is this class needed, as sad as it is, the answer is yes. However, I think that the description and the way it is being presented is ultimately wrong and will solve nothing, save set up for further problems that will happen later on in the future, the path being set now.

The problem is that they are perpetuating the same problem over and over again. This is not a solution, but only a band aid to a much larger problem. The brain is like a living computer, it is filled with information that becomes a program that repeats on an endless loop. The biggest problem is the labels that are used, the ignorance of the most basic of facts and ultimately the mindset of the majority.

The problem is that people tend to label themselves and others, putting a value on that label. So for the longest time we have used labels to call people, and to give a general description of them. White, and black. And the best example of where it got bad, one only has to look at the Holocaust and the propaganda that was used. First they found the people based on an idea, and then made the idea hated, the Jews. And they found them not to be human and thus easier to justify murdering and killing them. All the while ignoring the one main thing that they were human and like every other human on the planet.

And there in lies the ultimate problem is that we label ourselves and each other, and yet ignored the most basic fact, that we are all human. And that is the mindset that the professor or anyone will need to stop and finally end the problem with racism. For if they do not now, when it will end, is when the minority that the others have been keeping out of power or down for so long outnumbers them.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I give zero credence or respect to someone who thinks like this:

While saying there’s no single strategy on discussing race that works best for all students, Sealey touted what she called the “proven advantages” of her approach. Those advantages, she said, establish “objectively grounded claims” that she listed as the following:
- Whiteness means a specific power apparatus that exists at the expense of the disempowerment of black people.
- To be white in the U.S. is to be a perpetuator of the power apparatus unless one actively and consistently resists.
-It is possible, perhaps necessary, to acknowledge one’s personal implications in the white power apparatus.

She is apparently taken seriously by people--that is the problem.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Looks like a class to get people to consider things from a racial perspective other than their own. What's the problem? People could use more perspective. Especially in regards to races other than their own.

The problem is that we're still talking about race like its the 60's.

Probably because the problem hasn't gone away. This isn't a video game where you beat the final boss and never have to worry about it again you know? It's an ongoing issue that has spanned centuries. To expect it to be fixed in the few short years of the 60's and 70's is ridiculously stupid and naive.

What problem am I missing? Segregation? Seems like the black community wishes a return to those days. Are we still using separate bathrooms? Is anyone sitting in the back of the bus? Has anyone been denied the ability to attend Harvard based on their skin color? Are people being lynched for talking to white women?

So what. You assume that once Segregation was ended racism ended and would never be heard from again?

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Just what college did you go to with that idea. Every, and I mean every, student I've ever interacted with (and I've met hundreds in my job) goes only to those lectures that they NEED to go to for their degree.
All the other times they are either in the students bar (very cheap beer) or out partying. They don't go to any lectures that the don't need to go to.

Any college allows you to take classes to expand your horizons. Most to all accredited colleges force you to take general education classes in a bunch of different subjects anyways. I took a bunch of history classes I didn't need just because I like history while I was getting my degree in Computer Science. Your description of college sounds like you gleamed it from college party movies.

a reply to: TonyS

I'd be reasonably positive it is just an elective class or is only tied to certain majors. However, I really don't think the struggles of Black people in America isn't white people's problem though. We all live together. We should be working together to make life better for each of us. That means understanding the problems that are unique to different sets of people so they can be tackled and solved properly.

She is apparently taken serious by people--that is the problem. Sort of like L.Ron Hubbard back in the late 70's early 80's...look where that lead too...A multi- million dollar empire know as The Church of Scientology......tax exempt I may add.Bullshot..if not stopped grows to the size of cathedrals.a reply to: SlapMonkey

While I think that this course is, to put it politely, a potentially toxic idea, it is only one module at one college. Colleges teach daft things all the time, and if any student thinks that this particular strand of learning is going to do them any good in their career, then good luck to them.

They'll need it. Personally if I saw this on someone's resumé it would go straight in the round-topped general file. If you see what I mean.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Interesting point. Its very 20th Century. People have moved on from that type thinking. A majority of Millenials, according to reports I've read, identify as "Citizens of the World", much as their Brit cousins do. The only thing they're working together to do is make a buck so they can travel the world, (its all about the experience). Nation State/Nationalism are of no interest to them.

a reply to: TonyS

Er... What? This isn't about Nationalism. It's about recognizing that different groups of people have different opportunities and struggles. In this particular case it is about identifying that black people have a harder time with vertical movement than white people within society due to systems and laws in place that were designed during a more racist era. I believe the class also addresses perceptions of black people that also go to inhibit this vertical movement as well.

Now, none of this means that black people cannot improve their social standing in society or that white people don't have their own problems and struggles. It is just to give people perspective so they aren't so narrow minded in their opinions about other people's struggles.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
SO...

Waving a rebel flag is patriotic...

Talking about racism is divisive...

GOT IT.

No. Talking about racism is not divisive. But if you're talking about racism and it keeps getting pushed into your face that your very whiteness is the cause of all the ills in the US. There's a problem.

If you're told that getting rid of the whites in the US would solve all the people of color's problems... Then that's a problem.

If everything you do or say is labeled as racism, not because of the content of what you did or said, but simply because you're white...? THAT is a problem.

You can't have a discussion about race if you're always told your whiteness means you can never understand. Your whiteness means you're an evil person. Your whiteness means you can never be proud to just be yourself, because that's Nationalistic racism.

No discussion can be had if every single word out of your mouth is analyzed for possible racist overtones. When every action is viewed under a microscope and judged for any -possibility- of it being the least bit racist. And, even when there is nothing racist there, bits and pieces of things will be taken out of context and presented as evidence of you being a racist.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit jaded and bitter. I'm an old woman who grew up around a lot of racism and decided very early on that it was stupid and I would not be dragged down that path. So to be labeled and vilified by people who do not even know me...? Seriously? I'm tired of it and I know I'm not the only person out there who is fed up.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really? Where are the courses showing blacks or hispanics to look at things from an alternate perspective, you know, maybe where one is responsible for one's own station in a free society and/or is responsible for obeying the laws of a country that they want to immigrate to and take advantage of? Actually, that would be a good course irregardless of race. Doesn't require you to be of any race to benefit from such a course. I think you, yourself, could benefit from such a course.

Let me know, when education centers that have become leftist ideological centers of indoctrination to the masses start such a course.

Jaden

a reply to: seasonal

This is the definition of institutional racism.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really? Where are the courses showing blacks or hispanics to look at things from an alternate perspective, you know, maybe where one is responsible for one's own station in a free society and/or is responsible for obeying the laws of a country that they want to immigrate to and take advantage of? Actually, that would be a good course irregardless of race. Doesn't require you to be of any race to benefit from such a course. I think you, yourself, could benefit from such a course.

Let me know, when education centers that have become leftist ideological centers of indoctrination to the masses start such a course.

Jaden

Why would those courses be necessary in a predominately white college like this course is being offered at? Sounds like they'd get little attendance. Also this is a course being offered by ONE professor. Not the whole college.

originally posted by: DanteGaland
I smell a LOT of dog WHISTLE racism and FEAR in here.

In my LIFE I've met some HARDCORE racists.

They are always the LOUDEST folks claiming "racism is dead in America".

MEANWHILE they clutch their purse or LOCK their car door if a minority walks by.

Meh...not much different to non white folks deciding that the white person they are looking at is racist.