When Journalists Cry Wolf

a reply to: Kali74

The quotes are in the links.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Nope. Not a single claim that Trump colluded with Russia.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Lab4Us

You should read the wiki on it. The whole story around it is fascinating.

I hope you’ll understand if I don’t use Wiki as a news source. If by story, you mean a fictional accounting, I might give it a read.

However, this is exactly the point I think OP was trying to make. Why can’t I, as an American citizen, count on my press corps to provide me accurate facts? No rumours, no innuendo, no spin, but actual facts? Anything else is akin to “crying wolf”.

a reply to: Lab4Us

You can click the footnotes and read the original sources. That's what I do.

a reply to: Kali74

Don't lie - Why don't you start with typing out, verbatim, the article titles and quote which MSM outlet printed those words.

Even the titles of the article clearly insinuate Trump collusion with Russia - then you delve into the article, and all the innuendo is there for blind freddy to see.

Sorry Kali, I've been watching this since Hillary first mentioned Russia during the debates.

LOL - so much for you denying ignorance.

Removed by poster. Messed up quote/reply to the point it would have been confusing.

'INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION ONLY '20 PERCENT' DONE, SAYS SENATOR' - Newsweek

'There are reams of evidence pointing to Trump's collusion with Russia' - Business Insider.

'James Comey refuses to publicly answer whether he believes Trump colluded with Russia' - Business Insider

'Stop Assuming Trump Is Innocent of Russian Collusion' - NY Magazine.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

20% done.
Evidence of collusion
Comey refuses to offer opinion on collusion

You come closest with 'Stop assuming innocence'. An opinion piece though.

And don't call me a liar when you're literally stating words that don't exist, do.

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Kali74
Crying about censorship while waging war on the press.

Irony.

Where were you when Obama waged war on the Press? Hmmmmm, you and everyone else who were silent for 8 years?

Why do you keep talking to me about Obama, Hillary and the Democrats when I keep telling you that I don't and didn't support any of them?

they use false equivalencies....Obama's joke about Jake Tapper at one correspondents dinner, is equal to trump's yearlong public insult of calling all main stream media as being "the enemy of the people", and other insults, hundreds of times.

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Lab4Us

You should read the wiki on it. The whole story around it is fascinating.

I hope you’ll understand if I don’t use Wiki as a news source. If by story, you mean a fictional accounting, I might give it a read.

However, this is exactly the point I think OP was trying to make. Why can’t I, as an American citizen, count on my press corps to provide me accurate facts? No rumours, no innuendo, no spin, but actual facts? Anything else is akin to “crying wolf”.

Information right? To actually inform? Nah sorry, presently our journalists are otherwise engaged.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Sublimecraft

You come closest with 'Stop assuming innocence'. An opinion piece though.

Wrong - 'I' don't come anything Kali - pay attention. The MSM and pundits have been pushing the 'Trump colluded with Russia narrative' for a very long time now. Split hairs, deny ongoing left-leaning talking points and websites - in fact do what you please, doesn't change the fact that I am right - plenty of proof of the allegation.

Plenty, but if you are convinced that no-one from the MSM or US political left has ever ever ever laid the allegation out for public consumption, then who am I to interfere in your counter-to-reality fantasy - please, by all means, continue.

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Lab4Us

You should read the wiki on it. The whole story around it is fascinating.

I hope you’ll understand if I don’t use Wiki as a news source. If by story, you mean a fictional accounting, I might give it a read.

However, this is exactly the point I think OP was trying to make. Why can’t I, as an American citizen, count on my press corps to provide me accurate facts? No rumours, no innuendo, no spin, but actual facts? Anything else is akin to “crying wolf”.

then quit listening to "COMMENTATORS" and talking heads on cable.....journalists are different, they go into detail and 99% of the time they "WRITE" in publications...maddow and tucker are NOT journalists. they both give their opinions...

when journalists go on these talking head shows, you'll see that they are careful to say what they have as fact, and what is speculation

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Be careful of tilting at windmills.

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Kali74
Crying about censorship while waging war on the press.

Irony.

Where were you when Obama waged war on the Press? Hmmmmm, you and everyone else who were silent for 8 years?

Why do you keep talking to me about Obama, Hillary and the Democrats when I keep telling you that I don't and didn't support any of them?

Well you don't support Trump either, so what's up with that?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Be careful of tilting at windmills.

A Don Miguel de Cervantes quote (Don Quijote), slightly ironic, given his seminal work was the story of a man who revelled in his rejection of reality and his living in a world that he only hopes exists.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Why do I have to support anyone?

a reply to: Jonjonj

I've seen evidence of desire to inflict violence on the press and leftists so... the press has to bad for that, right?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Jonjonj

I've seen evidence of desire to inflict violence on the press and leftists so... the press has to bad for that, right?

Really? You honestly can say that with all your heart?

I don't believe you.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Every day another threat to free expression reveals itself. But it was wholly unexpected, and equally as sinister, that the threat du jour would come from those that require free expression the most.

Journalists, writers, and artists have suffered legitimate casualties in the war on free speech. In recent memory there was the massacre at Charlie Hebdo, or the firebombing at Hamburger Morgenpost, both of whom were attacked for printing the same cartoons. That is to say nothing about the censorship in unfree societies, which we might easily refer to had they been able to tell their own tales in the first place.

But the real threats risk being confused for the false ones. Over the last week, we have been further blinded to the real threats to free expression by unscrupulous journalists, pundits and politicians who continually raise false alarms for the sake of political gain, when it suits them, and never when it is really needed.

We all remember Aesop’s tale “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. A shepherd boy amuses himself with the panic of his townspeople by crying “wolf” when there is none, but his cries are ignored when a real wolf finally arrives. This is the scenario we find ourselves in when the press and pundits in the freest land in the world confuse or otherwise distort reality by pretending a cheeky tweet from the President is an attack on their fundamental freedoms.

The aforementioned tweet—a video of Trump himself clotheslining an opponent with a superimposed CNN logo on his head filmed during a stint in WWE—sent the usual suspects into the typical fit of self-inflicted despair. Vice-president of the Poynter Institute School of Journalism, Kelly McBride, said to The Guardian of Trump’s tweet:

“It’s definitely un-American. We have a couple of documents that define us as American: the constitution and the Bill of Rights. It’s Fourth of July weekend, we are supposed to be celebrating those, and the first amendment enshrines freedom of the press.”

Never mind the fatuous non-sequitur; never mind that the president’s tweet was an exercise of free speech instead of an attack on it; and never mind that the expression, a satire of pro-wrestling, was as American as apple pie; this fetid and appalling casuistry is being used to dupe the public into believing there is a threat to the precious first-amendment where there absolutely is none.

For this they have turned reality on its head. In their schizophrenic world, all one needs do is retweet a cheeky video of the president body slamming someone with a CNN logo for a head in order to “encourage violence” against journalists, to “embolden autocrats”, and to attack our free speech rights. What violence and what autocrats we are talking about is never realized, let alone materialized, but the tortured language regarding imagined threats and imagined victims is still promulgated and parroted by the worst of them.

Their stupid and self-generated fears, self-inflicted injury, and self-loathing, have resulted in pleas for Twitter to ban Trump’s account, to suppress his own fundamental rights for the sake of their fake fears (Twitter rightfully disagreed). Meanwhile, their rights remain untrammelled, their fears misguided and solipsistic, their bogeymen never becoming real. And all of it without a shred of irony.

Not only do these false alarms and false accusations about censorship, violence, and an always approaching but never arriving tyranny, blind the public to the real threats, only delegitimizing and minimizing the real victims of it. It misleads and misinforms the townspeople, so that when they cry wolf at the moment when a real wolf appears, their cries will be ignored.

LesMis

Great post.

Only thing I can add is When did the 4th of July, Independence Day, become a weekend? All these idiots calling it a weekend are fools. It was a specific day and it happens to be on the 4th.

So tired of goal posts moving to fit agendas.