Trump's voting fraud commission demands personal information on all US voters

a reply to: proximo

Obama didn't use IRS data.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: proximo

The IRS is absolutely forbidden to share your information.
Why do you think we don't have trumps returns yet
nope they can't use any private information from the IRIS.

Why do you think this commission is going to expose this information?

There is literally no reason to think any info will be exposed, other than you always assume the absolute worst about anything connected to Trump.

a reply to: MOMof3

Didn't this used to be a conspiracy theory site.
Where the big bad government needed to be fought tooth and nail and being off the grid was the goal..
Now they not only want to be on the grid, they want to be tied to it naked.

originally posted by: CB328
This is insane, and probably unconstitutional. It sounds like Trump wants to have a record of all voters

Remember, Hitler did exactly the same thing. Demanded to know who was Jew, who was Aryan, etc..That's the first step before any "purge".

Makes perfect sense.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: proximo

Obama didn't use IRS data.

This is semantics - he used the IRS to audit his enemies. They cannot audit anyone without their info.

Obama IRS scandel continues

a reply to: Sillyolme

First off it LAST four digits of SS number is what's requested which helps differentiate John Jones in one state from John Jones in that state or another when ascertaining whether John Jones double voted or not.

Arrest records are due fact felons and ex-felons lose right to vote unless they go to court and get restored or you live in Virginia?

Inactivity is also simply due moving and not updating voter rolls - Voter ID requirements fix this as no one able to use someones registration nor vote multiple districts without leaving evidence of fraud.

I think what you guys fear is "trueing" the vote, not suppression of it.

We've had controversial results since 2000 election and it's high time that it's thoroughly delved into and answered definitively so that congress and states can pass any needed legislation based upon facts rather than supposition.

Anytime a Republican wins an election isn't that what you guys ask for anyway?

Or is it just recount until cheating works in favor.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: CB328
This is insane, and probably unconstitutional. It sounds like Trump wants to have a record of all voters

Remember, Hitler did exactly the same thing. Demanded to know who was Jew, who was Aryan, etc..That's the first step before any "purge".

Makes perfect sense.

Do you realize you sound literally insane to over half the country when you compare Trump to Hitler?

Almost every NSA worker, and IRS worker has access to way more of Americans data already. Trump has control over both.

If he really was the next coming of Hitler the last thing he needs is some names of voters and the last 4 of their SS#'s, he has access to their internet histories, and recordings of their calls.

He has been in power nearly 6 months and does nothing even slightly dictatorial.

But don't let logic, common sense, or the ability to reason get in the way of your Drumpf is Hitler fantasies.

originally posted by: proximo
Almost every NSA worker, and IRS worker has access to way more of Americans data already. Trump has control over both.

Then why implement another solution?

If, according to you, every NSA and IRS "worker" (lol sorry that sounds funny to me) has way more of Americans data already, then it seems they already have the tools to know whether or not there is fraudulent voting going on.

If they're so well-connected on every American, doesn't it stand to reason that they should be able to reconcile that information based upon filtered data? Use all that alleged "way more of Americans data" and eliminate any that doesn't correspond with their fabulous data stores as fraud.

But don't let logic, common sense, or the ability to reason get in the way of your Drumpf is Hitler fantasies.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: proximo
Almost every NSA worker, and IRS worker has access to way more of Americans data already. Trump has control over both.

Then why implement another solution?

If, according to you, every NSA and IRS "worker" (lol sorry that sounds funny to me) has way more of Americans data already, then it seems they already have the tools to know whether or not there is fraudulent voting going on.

If they're so well-connected on every American, doesn't it stand to reason that they should be able to reconcile that information based upon filtered data? Use all that alleged "way more of Americans data" and eliminate any that doesn't correspond with their fabulous data stores as fraud.

But don't let logic, common sense, or the ability to reason get in the way of your Drumpf is Hitler fantasies.

Come on.

First off, collecting the data, and interpreting it are very different things.

Second, even if interpretation of the data was easy - it is not - real AI does not yet exist - it would not necessarily tell you whether someone went to the polls and actually voted, only which way they were leaning.

Third - if you believe the NSA they do not keep the data for long, and don't record on anyone other than targeted people. I do not believe this, but it is possible it is true and no historical data exists at this point.

While it would not be easy to determine who actually voted for or against Trump, it would be easy to start tracking Trump enemies if so desired through keyword examination etc. the same way they look for potential terrorists if the NSA were so inclined.

Why is it so hard for you to believe the commission just wants to determine how many illegal votes their were, and why would you be opposed to that?

a reply to: proximo

Because it doesn't work the way your describing at all. Hence the paper trail of unmasking.

Oh and there is the fact the states and independent people already do what trump wants to waste money on.

Would you be OK with Obama collecting voter info?

a reply to: proximo

Why do you think I think that?

a reply to: proximo

He didn't use the IRS data. It's not semantics dude. It's a simple plain fact.

a reply to: Phoenix

The first three identify the zip code of the address you live at when you first apply for your number. (At birth these days)
The second two are rotation and the last four identify YOU. So that's pretty much all you need to identify someone.

If John Jones was going to vote twice he'd have to be on two or more lists in different districts and he'd get purged from one in any audit which I believe the states perform annually.
They do check your name off when you come in to vote and each district only has the voters for that district in their books or computers. So once you've voted you can't vote again.
And honestly do you really think three million people voted twice in the last election?
This is trumps super ego in play here.

Why don't they just look at the number of voter fraud cases if that's the information they want.
There were not three million illegally cast votes in the election.
That's about as absurd as you can get.
But it's trump. Sick in the head trump.

a reply to: proximo

Wasn't that debunked anyway?
Baseless rumor.

a reply to: Phoenix

And I really didn't need you to tell me all that.
I'm sixty. I've been voting since Reagan was president.
Lol
Just letting you know.
Peace

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: proximo

The IRS is absolutely forbidden to share your information.
Why do you think we don't have trumps returns yet
nope they can't use any private information from the IRIS.

Why do you think this commission is going to expose this information?

There is literally no reason to think any info will be exposed, other than you always assume the absolute worst about anything connected to Trump.

Hacks of OPM databases compromised 22.1 million people, federal authorities say.

If they can't protect that...

a reply to: proximo

No he doesn't sound insane lots of people think that about trump. and trump never had the support of even half the country...
30% is about it.

I don't see why he needs them when the GOP has a massive database that probably has much more personal information about most of voters in this country...
and thanks to their shoddy security, who knows how many others might have that information.

thehill.com...

originally posted by: Blueracer
So you are pro voting fraud?

So you are pro gun registration?

First they want to monitor how you vote... next they'll want to monitor if you shoot.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: proximo

Because it doesn't work the way your describing at all. Hence the paper trail of unmasking.

Oh and there is the fact the states and independent people already do what trump wants to waste money on.

Would you be OK with Obama collecting voter info?

Yes. If it was to find illegal voters one hundred percent yes.

As I have said repeatedly, this info is nothing compared to the info the president already has access to.

He would have never done that however, because he and the whole democratic party know the majority vote for them, hence the reason they want open borders and to shut down any investigation into legal voting.

All they care about is their own power base, cheating to achieve it is fine, economically draining the country does not concern them.