Low income people should not have insurance. They should be treated for free.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

So no #'s. Got ya.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MotherMayEye

So no #'s. Got ya.

Nope. But I only offered anecdotal evidence. So I got you, too!

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's not isolated either...when insurance and healthcare are free, people don't give any thought to the cost before going to the most expensive place because it's more convenient for them.

Do you have any #'s to back that up?

I'm sure there's some study somewhere that can lay out all the numbers. Frankly, I don't give a dang anymore, at least not enough to dig up the info. I can only go by my own experience in the medical field. My experience has been quite eye opening for me. I went in all naïve and wanting to help people. I was abused from ALL sides. Plenty of that abuse came from patients. People going to the ER for some of the stupidest sh!t I have ever seen.

I've also seen this in my personal life. Friends and family thinking there is a magic pill for everything. Sometimes time is the best and safest remedy. My partner's youngest child is a prime example. She was indoctrinated by her father's 3rd wife as a young child. Go to the doctor for everything. Last year she told us she needed to go to the doctor. I asked what was wrong. "I'm itching. The doctor needs to write me a prescription. I really need to see a dermatologist immediately!" You want to know what the solution was? A solution that I insisted she try before we made an appointment with a specialist for her 'emergency'? Wash her effing sheets on a regular basis instead of ... oh I don't know ... once a effing year. Problem solved. She's an adult for God's sake. I'm not doing her laundry for her. I told her to stop being lazy and do some laundry. Voila! No more itching.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

How am i a tool?

a reply to: Khaleesi

Yep. That's where I am. The person I mentioned is f*cking awful and stupid, to put it mildly.

I cannot imagine she is one of the *rare* ones to have learned she can exploit the system.

I don't need stats to know she isn't. I am sure someone can hunt some down though.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MotherMayEye

How am i a tool?

LOL...I meant to type 'too!,' not 'tool.'

Sorry, Seasonal!

ETA: You are not a tool!!!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Indeed. 500k/year for surgeons seems about par for the course. My beef is not with them.

Were talking multi billion dollar/year entities that wallow in the same pits as lobbyists and insurance company CEO's.

a reply to: JinMI

Me, too...Insurance companies, hospitals, medical equipment suppliers. I don't know enough about lobbying profits to have an opinion worth stating.

Doctors and researchers....I want them paid well.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

My bad, too looks like tool with an "!". See too!.

All in good fun

a reply to: seasonal

It was 'tool,' on accident. I edited!

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Indeed. 500k/year for surgeons seems about par for the course. My beef is not with them.

Were talking multi billion dollar/year entities that wallow in the same pits as lobbyists and insurance company CEO's.

Is $8,000 too much per month for a cancer medication that allows you to work regular hours, while the medication does its magic?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Ok, I thought I saw tool....

Anyway, I was hoping for some #'s from a place like Canada or England with a single payer.

I think the abuses are pretty obvious, and no matter what we do there are people who are going to abuse a system. I guess we should hope to limit this, and not make rules for everyone to punish the 3-5% of abusers.

a reply to: carewemust

It is when it is $500 in Europe.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: carewemust

If they live in an 800 grand house, but if they are laid off, then they are in a dire situation, so they should be treated for free.

Medicaid is so ripe for abuse. And so is ObamaCare for that matter. By not looking at assets, it's very easy to "cook" your personal income. I'm with people every week who do this. It's the way the game has been designed, by the lawyers in Washington who write the rules.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MotherMayEye

So no #'s. Got ya.

Seasonal, I'm not trying to pick on ya, man. I like most of your post. But seriously. Talk to anyone that has worked in an ER for a year or more. Yeah, it's all anecdotal but a very large part of the problem today is people thinking they need to go to a doctor for every paper cut and hangnail. Are there some serious problems in our healthcare industry? Hell yeah! Partly, the price of education is to blame. Insurance is to blame too. Greed is to blame. Plenty of blame to go around. Some of that blame goes to 'patients' that really shouldn't be going to the doctor for stupid sh!t. People used to know how to handle the basics. Got a boo boo? Clean it and put a band aid on it. If it doesn't heal in a reasonable amount of time, THEN go to the doctor. I've seen people demand antibiotics for their common cold. Doctors cave to the patients demand, 'just in case'. Over use of antibiotics has been rampant. Simply because the patients DEMAND the doctor give them SOMETHING.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: carewemust

It is when it is $500 in Europe.

You're alluding to one of the few disappointments that I have with President Trump. He should go after whatever is causing prescription drugs to cost Americans way more than what anyone else in the world pays.

President Trump should make that part of his "Americans First!" priority. It certainly would directly help/benefit more Americans than his focus on climate change, going after Obama, etc..

I propose ATS should administer aptitude teststing before allowing users to create a thread.

Got to look at why the US health system charges $1,000 for an IV drip bag when other first world countries only pay $10 etc... why so high and where does the money go to?

Only once these exorbitant fees are wrangled can we think about healthcare becoming affordable for low-socioeconomic people

a reply to: allsee4eye

Ummm, it's called Medicaid! That's what they give poor unemployed people who don't have insurance and its free.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: allsee4eye

1,046,000 doctors in the US.

100 billion dollars divided by 1,046,000 is shy of $9600.00.

That is how much each doctor would get a year. I don't think it is more than enough.

You screwed up. That comes out to $95,602.29. Count your zeros next time, OP was only $4,400 off the $100k salary estimate himself.