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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: DJW001
Yep.. They're russians so they must be lying......right?
No, but Russian media do not publish anything without government approval. Why are the Russian government and its trolls pushing this story? I'm not saying it's not true, but why even mention it, much less try to shove it down ATS's throat?
Someone posts a story, and it turns into Russian trolls trying to shove it down ATS's throat?
Dont forget to inhale, exhale, yo.
When people shoot your planes you probably put more arms in the air yourself.
No. Yes. D'oh!
It's a nice escalation. They need the bad Russian Bear to poke, NATO is de facto fighting for it's existence. Unprecedented as it is.
No. Yes. D'oh!
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman
Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.
www.rt.com...
Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...
The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?
Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?
That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.
yes, some people still think it is just a conspiracy non-story that Russian media throws down to domestic consumption, and also to ATS troath using its army of trolls...
I wonder thopse people who think so, because I believe they think so and do not work here for money, do they have nuclear shelters ready, when Trump and the rest will hide underground?
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: 23432
Shoigu is doing the military part in all likelyhood...perhaps no time for next leader in Russia before WW3...yes it is a man whom I honor respectfully, all his career nothing bad said of him
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman
Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.
www.rt.com...
Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...
The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?
Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?
That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.
Honestly , when i posted it , Russians were the 4th or 5th likely candidate for this incident.
I think Shoigu is being pressured to act ; those who have the capital in Rodina are applying pressure .
Have you checked Moscow Exchange recently ?
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman
Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.
www.rt.com...
Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...
The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?
Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?
That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.
Honestly , when i posted it , Russians were the 4th or 5th likely candidate for this incident.
I think Shoigu is being pressured to act ; those who have the capital in Rodina are applying pressure .
Have you checked Moscow Exchange recently ?
I'm not sure what you are even referring to. Shoigu was on a plane that NATO shadowed. Pretty routine. What are you implying he was up to?
I was referring to the incident in Syria with Erdogans trigger-happy F-16. Another crooked NATO parner, greetings to the resident Shah of Perversia btw.
According to info I got , Shoigu has had talks with Russian Capitalist who are not happy with Putin's Leadership .
He is seen as more market oriented Leader then Putin is .
I am saying that the people whom he had talks with are the ones putting pressure on him to make some move within Russian Politics.
We'll see it in few days probably .
It's an operation but who has the power to control a Nato plane ?
Putin offered several times a New world order different from the American model.
originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: 23432
but it means the world is given more time for that. I don't think we have more time. Everything will be decided this Summer and Fall. Notice the years significance 1917-2017.
Sure not because of one plane incident. Shoigu could see himself how friendly the American pilots are, who after all didn't attempt to shoot at him! If he was afraid of flying near...."almost-friendly" planes in neutral waters, he wouldn't be general commander. As I posted pic he was in Syria.
Tensions build up for years, decades. No one will decide for WW3 from Monday to Friday. USA clearly provokes Russia, and that started since Bush scrapped ABM treaty to get strategic advantage over ageing Socviet ICBMs. I don't know if that was the main issue or that was the main visible issue.
However after that Putin started updating the entire nuclear arsenal and submarines. Now Russia has better missiles, both ICBM and cruise.
Politically, USA is doing everything possible to corner Russia in a situation when it will not be possible not to answer. How would USA react if Russia installs interceptors in Cuba? But that is what USA is doing in Poland and Romania and on ships around Russia. The difference from the Cuban missile crisis is, today's missiles are much more advanced, it needs not 15 minutes to answer, as the hair-triggered alert of the Cold War, it needs 120 seconds, as another Russian general said they can answer in that time.
I don't see Shoigu as a head iof state in a world where Russia will take equal place as USA, China, and others. First of all, USA doesn't want to accept such a world, as Putin offered several times a New world order different from the American model.
Unfortunately, that incident following the incident in Syria, comes to show the WW3 is inevitable. May be we have few more weeks...unless a miracle happens.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: 23432
According to info I got , Shoigu has had talks with Russian Capitalist who are not happy with Putin's Leadership .
He is seen as more market oriented Leader then Putin is .
I am saying that the people whom he had talks with are the ones putting pressure on him to make some move within Russian Politics.
We'll see it in few days probably .
It's an operation but who has the power to control a Nato plane ?
If Shoigu is a threat to Putin his plane would have crashed without NATO assistance.
Dangerous and unacceptable
Once again over the Baltic there are dangerous near approaches between Russian and NATO fighter jets in an effort to display military might. First, the Russian air force intercepted an American B-52 bomber that found itself in the region of the Russian border.
On Monday there was an incident over Sweden in international airspace. A Russian fighter jet came dangerously close to a Swedish surveillance plane. The Swedish government loudly remonstrated with the Russian Ambassador in the media. Swedish Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist indicated that the above was "innacceptable, unprofessional, and dangerous."
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: DJW001
I havent taken a position on it. Before I even could get that far, seeing you all gonzo triggered about it turned it into spectator sport.
Shoigu is also powerfull within Rodina and we don't know whether Shoigu's talk has had Putin's pre-permission or not .
Belgium , I friggin blame Belgium .