What is going on in South Africa

originally posted by: chortled
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Agreed. I'm always amazed at how obtuse people become when thinking humans are any different from an organized group of animals in the wild. Let's look at a pride of lions for example. If the two males who are at the head of the pride are losing their strength, power, and ability to secure the best feeding grounds then another set of male lions will begin attacking the two older / weaker males. Eventually the invading male lions will kill both and take over the pride.

This ensures the strongest males will continue to breed superior offspring which directly correlates to lions remaining as an animal species on this planet. If it worked the way socialist liberal snowflakes wanted the older males would continue breeding inferior cubs who eventually would become extinct because over the course of their evolution they would simply become a weak species and die out.

Why are humans exempt from this same course of natural selection? If we allow other nationalities to selectively target their fellow citizens because they view them as inferior then who are we to stop them? Some might argue that we should head off their rise to power so that one day they do not become powerful enough to challenge us and our way of life. With this point I would agree, however, it still proves my point about the process of natural selection. Then we would be called upon to defend what we hold sacred and if we are the stronger of the two then we will prevail. If not then we don't deserve to prevail. Natural selection.

EDIT: I will take the "it's us or them" a little farther. Suppose you are a father or mother and a person is threatening to hurt your child. Your survival and protective instinct is going to hopefully take over to where you actively prevent harm of your child. Even if that results in you killing another human being then so be it. Natural selection is about a species ability to adapt to their environment and remain strong and prosper. It's the very primal core of what lies at the heart of any species on this planet and humans are no different.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Justso

According to some researchers disease has played a huge part yes as well as the climate and the inability in certain areas to grow enough food. The result of that hasn't necessarily been violence but certainly has been uncontrolled procreation. Infant mortality was an always has been very high in Africa, so the Africans have more children as they know some will die. Having more children means more to provide for the family, means more workers, but it also means more mouths to feed. Its a vicious circle. The Africans have battled diseases that are unknown to us in the West, and have had to develop certain traits to counter these diseases such as sickle cell which goes some way to countering the effects of malaria. Sickle cell isn't a "black" disease its a counter measure for malaria and can be found wherever there is malaria across the ME and Asia. Most sickle cell affected people are fine with no problems but then some can die but nature decided that the mutation that causes sickle cell and its possible effects were far more important than death from malaria which again lead to more children being created as people lived longer due to sickle cell.

I think this is a good point and sort of what I have been getting at.

Harsh conditions in Africa resulted in biological adaptions suited to life in Africa 200 years ago.
Sure sickle cell can kill or reduce life span, but if maleria kills you quicker its a huge improvement. Its possible certain gentics regarding aggression are more common too as they would have been beneficial in a violent society. Even if not gentic, emphasis on on aggresion and fighting could be considered a cultural hold over. Environment though does not nessary just have a physical impact but a behavioral one too.

Either way these things lead to a problem in the modern age when such things are now a liability not a asset.

I say these things not out of hate. Contrary to the impression i may have given, and I apologise, i dont think Africans, blacks or anyone is sub human, i certainly dont desire to see harm come to them.

What I think is needed is a actually discussion and extensive study on the root causes of these problems, this may mean queationing and studying certain taboo areas, such as gentics causeing biochemical problems or queationing culture as well as looking at the impact on western politcal interference.
If the root causes can be identified then its to the benfit of all, most of all to the Africans.
Just throwing money and aid at them is not working and never will.

Thats the last thing I am going to say on the topic.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Depends on how hard you hit the "G" and drag(draw(l)) it out in accentuation.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Excellent post, you cannot beat someone with true first hand educated knowledge.

I was speaking to a girl who just left SA, she painted an awful picture of the unsafe, crime ridden life that a professional working person faces every day.

Thank you.

a reply to: TonyS

The dumbest of the dumb? What a horribly ignorant and cold heartless statement.You try being a white regular fairly poor SA citizen,and see if any country will accept you and your family Those who are staying,are doing so because they do not have the massive amount of money it would take,for another country to let us in.No country gives an eff if we all get slaughtered,we are white.It doesn't take high IQ to be able to escape SA if you are white-it takes the dumb luck of being wealthy enough

a reply to: Outlier13

Natural selection in humans has become skewed due to Guns making everything equal.

Fascinating bias in this thread...

Some even suggesting blacks are genetically violent? Perhaps we should ask the rest of the world like the Asians, native americans, etc., were it blacks who came to their lands and caused war, or the alternative.

Reading the complaints in this thread sound identical to the complaints I read in black American forums concerning their mistreatment by white america! It is really eerie.

The world is governed by white supremacy. Of course if Africans kick all the whites out that system will attempt to punish them. Similar to how Haiti has never been forgiven for defeating the French and kicking them out.

Africa was stunted in it's development by colonialism. There are over 1400 ethnicities there. The continent was never given a chance in modern history to do what every other continent has, consolidate. Have we forgotten how Europe divided up Africa like a pizza?

It's amusing reading the thoughts of people who belong to a group responsible for extinction or near extinction of entire cultures play the role of oppressed.

originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: 0racle

You seem to want to ignore the races and cultures of Africa-that's not reality. The Europeans, Asians, etc did not cause their inter-fighting, disease and poverty. Americans are the most giving county in the world-not to believe they are takers too but that's a different story.

After much reading here, there does seem to be a racial undertone to their problems-it doesn't sound like Africas want any other races in their continent nor do they wish to expound on the education provided to them. Again, why?
If the true answer is they just want us all out to continue to fight amongst themselves then so be it. Hence, all non-African races need to wake up and get out, fast. The problem is just escalating and wasting the world's resources; but pity the children.
It appears they are attempting genocide upon themselves-and if so-we need to stop trying to change what appears as their natural needs and tendancies-who knows-maybe they can find the peace they so desperately need-let's leave them alone to rule as they see fit.

If you ever read "Destruction of Black Civilization" by Chancellor Williams you will understand Africa.

As a black American I found myself angry at my ancestors in Africa for getting their butts kicked and having the black diaspora in our current condition. Upon reading that book I understand. I'll give you and any others the short.

Africa's most famous culture, Egypt goes back beyond recorded history. It was for a long time the most glorious empire in the world. However, make no mistake, it isn't the first or only African empire. The others are just so old the archeological evidence is hard to detect and mostly ignored. Even South Africa has history of advanced civilizations.

Africa was constantly under attack by asians, indians, and whites. They all wanted in. In a way you can say Africa was the America of its time.

The continent was black, to squash any ignorance you may have. Egypt was black. As I say though, the asians and whites wanted in. They were amassed on the coastal borders of Egypt like derelicts.

Egypts downfall was black egyptian men had a taste for white women. They swirled with them liike crazy creating mulatto children. The mulatto children always favored their white genetics. Eventually the mulatto obtained ranking positions, priest status and pharoah status. This opened the gate for what we will call white pharoahs.

So there you have it, as I even explain to my black people, yes Egypt eventually became mulatto. After 1700 years of constantly trying to fight the white asians off. The people in Egypt today are exactly what took Egypt over...mulatto.

The black people of Egypt, forever trying to escape the invaders, fled Egypt and were outcast from Egypt to settle in Ethiopia and others devolved into bush people.

The formation of the Sahara also greatly helped in Egypt's demise, bringing starvation to the blacks fleeing the invaders.

What you know as Africans are the people who hsve been fleeing for 1800 to 1500 years. They devolved after generations of hiding in swamps and jungles. Similar to if Mexico invades America killing all its citizens. And all American citizens live a perpetual nomaduc life. In 2000 years people coming to the shores would find a people who don't seem up to par and a little uncivilized.

a reply to: 2Baaka

I'd like to point out that Haiti did not "kick the French out".
They killed every White person on the island.
The ramifications of this was the spreading fear among slave-owning societies that the same could happen to them, including the very young United States.
Would I have done the same thing were I a slave?
Damn right I would or would have died trying.

I pretty much agree with everything else you said in your post.
The effect of Colonialism on Africa is a tale of guns, slavery and increasing domination by the tribes with access to guns.

originally posted by: Raxoxane
a reply to: TonyS

The dumbest of the dumb? What a horribly ignorant and cold heartless statement.You try being a white regular fairly poor SA citizen,and see if any country will accept you and your family

Those who are staying,are doing so because they do not have the massive amount of money it would take,for another country to let us in.No country gives an eff if we all get slaughtered,we are white.It doesn't take high IQ to be able to escape SA if you are white-it takes the dumb luck of being wealthy enough

What you say of immigration is true. I don't understand why the United States will accept anyone who wanders across the Rio Grande yet will deny South Africans immigrant status unless as you say they are filthy rich. It's true but perhaps under Trump that will hopefully change as well. Not only are White South Africans in danger of genocide but Asians and Indians as well who have very large populations in South Africa. I join others hoping the BRICS nations can help turn around the corruption and economy of SA to prevent such a tragic possibility.

originally posted by: 2Baaka



. Egypt was black.

No they wernt

Not white either, but not black.


Dont try and steal another cultures history.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Outlier13

Natural selection in humans has become skewed due to Guns making everything equal.

That's not true at all. Just because someone can fire a gun doesn't mean they are going to be accurate, understand recoil management, know where to hit their target, or know how to manage a fire fight. There are plenty of dead hajis who can attest to that...if they could talk.

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Outlier13

Natural selection in humans has become skewed due to Guns making everything equal.

That's not true at all. Just because someone can fire a gun doesn't mean they are going to be accurate, understand recoil management, know where to hit their target, or know how to manage a fire fight. There are plenty of dead hajis who can attest to that...if they could talk.

nothing natural about beins shot with a bullet. No even a novice gets lucky from time to time.

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Outlier13

Natural selection in humans has become skewed due to Guns making everything equal.

That's not true at all. Just because someone can fire a gun doesn't mean they are going to be accurate, understand recoil management, know where to hit their target, or know how to manage a fire fight. There are plenty of dead hajis who can attest to that...if they could talk.

Whats a Haji?

Every time I hear a conservative say their party is not racist, it is threads like this, that show their true colors.

originally posted by: thetruth2017
Every time I hear a conservative say their party is not racist, it is threads like this, that show their true colors.

Point to where someone in this thread is conservative, making racist comments, and claiming to speak for the entire conservative party.

Also find it funny when they talk about blacks or any other minority being predispositioned to being violent but totally forget the history of colonialism and other violent histories that Caucasians were a part of, not too mention that white people make up the majority of serial killers or child molesters.

So much violence and mayhem, yet it is blacks who are the only ones who are prone to being violent criminals?

originally posted by: thetruth2017
Also find it funny when they talk about blacks or any other minority being predispositioned to being violent but totally forget the history of colonialism and other violent histories that Caucasians were a part of, not too mention that white people make up the majority of serial killers or child molesters.

So much violence and mayhem, yet it is blacks who are the only ones who are prone to being violent criminals?

Whites are a minority don't forget that.