Is God Evil???

Joe Rogan had the grand daughter of the Westboro Baptist church's Fred Phelps on his most recent show, and man is it good, and disturbing....


This girl can spout every bible verse that tells you to hate gays, god punishes soldiers for the sins of their nations and you should stone nonbelievers, without missing a beat..

It is super interesting listening to some one who spent their whole life believing, validate all the worst beliefs of Christianity...because the violence the Bible teaches is brutal sadistic and undeniable..

What I found most interesting is the logical fallacy that caused her to leave the church and then Christianity as a whole.

If all of existence is gods plan, so we are just acting out his play...

What do you call a god who forces you to sin, but then tortures you for all eternity for sinning???


There are really only 2 options..


1) it's gods plan, he makes all the decisions and we are just acting out his play.. at which point he is an evil , evil diety for making people sin, and then punishing them for sinning..

2) god knows the future, but doesn't control it because we have free will. So he knows what will happen, but because he watched the movie, not because he wrote the script.

Which is like the opposite of what every version of the Bible says or any noticeable percent of Christianity believes..

So that really only leaves option #1...


Which is flipping terrifying...

Hypothetically , you didn't decide you were an atheist, god decided you were an atheist..

You didn't decide you were a Muslim, Christian , Jew or Buddhist. God decided you were..

Hell, you didn't decide that you were a thief, rapist or saint. God decided for you..

And if it stopped right there no problem..

But then god takes the person he personally decided would be an atheist, rapist , murder and child molester and then tortures them for all eternity for following his plan..

That is some sadistic stuff..

That is the same as if I kept you in slavery, then I tortured you for the crime of being a slave..

Insane..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yep, crazy.
If there's a god then I imagine the god is a cruel entity and I'm not sure what the point of being so cruel is other than entertainment? Being so selfish and hungry for praise and worship? Praise for what exactly? Honest questions, not mocking.
It doesn't make sense to me that there would be one; however, there could be.
I disagree with the supposed god deciding 'what type' of person you become though, that is one's choice. If there's a punishment in the afterlife for that then that would be a different story, in my opinion.

I assume God would be similar to his most devout followers.

And they are bat sh#t nuts.

So...

a reply to: beachbound

Well yea but you sound like you disagree with the whole concept of Christianity..

But if you actually believe in predestination and that all of this is gods plan , then you can't have free will too..

If god just can see the future, so he knows what will happen. Free will still works..

If it is gods plan that he decided, however then there is no free will, you are just acting in his script.

Your focus determines your reality.
a reply to: JoshuaCox

If that god thing would be real, god would be the most evil thing that ever existed.
Isn`t that him that creates diseases little kids die of, who creates wars, poverty, inequality etc:


For these cultists this all are just gods tests the mankind has to experience, to check if mankind is worthy to be endowed with gods mercy... Such a BS!
We are not even worth to get evidence of any god, not a little bit. He would not just be evil, but the most lazy thing. Lastly "his children" pray by the billions, since more than 2000 years, as we are told, for his mercy, for any kind of his evidence. But he doesn´t care, the world is a mess since more than 2000 years!

But those cultists that created that god myth(doesn´t care which cult) are really evil, because they are real, and use the blind worshippers for own profits, till today!

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I sometimes think that most organics are evil, and most inorganics are not.

Do not know why...

How about this god entity just created the whole universe with all kind of life..
This god or gods had the ability to create universes, but the things within in will act on its own.
Free will I believe it is called.

So in that way.. we choose our self if we want evil or kindness

I see what you're saying now. I guess im on the fence. Spent years in the baptist church and havent followed a specific religion for years but, im certainly leaning and learning. Thanks for responding.

a reply to: Spacespider

Its fun to consider this, what you wearing? Is your swag slave-made in India or Africa? How about power you consume? It aint exactly clean you know, How about your furniture? Is it from the last Oak forest from Europe or from some other illegal wood cutting? How can you avoid supporting evil and destruction? You can`t.


If you participate in this world, guess what you are evil, and no amount of volunteering in a soup kitchen can change that.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Climb the mountain and destroy the demiurge - punch the imposter in the face

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Assuming the arrogant pose of a solar deity, Yaldabaoth falsely believes himself to be the only god in the entire cosmos.

Thus, for Gnostics, the identification of Yaldabaoth with Jehovah of the Old Testament, a deity who suffers from this very complex of cosmic egotism, is a foregone conclusion, prefigured in the Sophianic origin myth.

Being blind, he cannot perceive the Pleroma (galactic core), nor does he recognize Sophia, the cosmic current that surged from the core and produced him in the first place.

He becomes infatuated, bloated with grandiosity, causing Sophia to feel shame and want to hide him from the sight of the Pleromic Aeons.

"She cast him away from her radiance, so that no one among the immortal ones might see him... She joined a luminous
cloud with him, and placed a throne in the middle of the cloud." (Apoc John BG 38, 1-10)

The Aeon Sophia is that cosmic current whose impact organizes the dema and produces the Archons. This happens because She acts unilaterally in Her plunge from the galactic core, but Sophia does not unilaterally cause the birth of the Sun. This is a process continually occurring in the galactic limbs, due to the physics of the limb structure itself. In an action that might be compared to a mill wheel grinding stones, the galactic armature churns and refines elementary matter, constantly producing star-birth, the promise of new worlds of experience.

The key to the unique status of our planetary system is the convergence of Sophia's impact with the nebular expulsion of a newborn star. The material of the Archons is incorporated into that material vortex that forms around this star, and Sophia herself fixes the chief Archon centrally ("enthroned") in the center of the proto-planetary disk ("luminous cloud"). Overseen by Yaldabaoth, the Archons now proceed to fabricate the planetary system from the inorganic elements of which them themselves are composed.

As they have no intentionality (ennoia) and no creative capacity (epinoia) of their own, they can only do this by imitation.

He sounds like a jealous sociopath, you can only do what he says, only pray to him and if you dont youll be burning in a lake of fire for eternity.

Sounds like a nice guy really.

Oh look, atheists blaming God for their actions
So cute

How about God created you with a brain and mind to make your own decissions
No, that can't be, it's Gods fault not mine
I am forced into those decissions

Some crazy calvinist does not speak for God

and what's the bet she quoted the Old Testament, a Jewish book. But don't you worry, it only makes sense if you don't know what to believe unless you are told by the media

So I guess you are just assuming that the only option for god is the Christian god?

Dostoevsky said you can tell a lot about the society you live in by the people you will find in its prisons.
Someone puts up a 70 mph speed limit, we want to go 80 mph.
We want freedom from God so we deny God.
We are stardust, the byproduct of billions of years of random chance. Everything is chance. Including you reading this.
But we want laws to determine a sense of social cohesion, fairness. Right and wrong.
If we are random dust with sentience, laws, social cohesion, right and wrong is bulls**t.
Who are you to impose a 'moral code' on me to help society gel? What gives you or anyone else the right to determine my way, my life and my path through this 70+ years of meaningless existence?
If meaning is only bound by what we do here and now, why on earth would I subject myself to some other human beings dictates? Either we are all equal or we are not.
Why should I need the rules, affirmation or disapproval of another human being who is similarly wandering blindly through this existence to determine my choices and actions?
Why should I care about society if it impedes my right to self pleasure and self governance? When I'm dead I'm dead, and I sure aint gonna feel guilty about 'my children's future' or ,'the good of collective humanity'.
If all I have to look forward to at the end of my existence is 'The big sleep', then screw society, humanity, codes laws and 'the betterment of mankind'. It benefits me not one iota. I'll do what I want and be my own law.
THAT, to me is the honest motivation of evolution.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Short answer is Yes he is or the entity we call god just doesn't care. There is also the possibility that god left us a long time ago. Since i'm eager to destroy god to end the constant use of religion as a poor excuse to do horrible and vile things to each other i tend to say f#ck god.

The thing is if god really exists he could just choose one person and make him or her immortal to root out all evil and it would create paradise on earth. Since that never happened i stand by my previous statement that the entity has to die to free the world from it grips once and for all. Religion and blind faith is a blight to humanity and to our whole species.

a reply to: Jefferton

Well said.

The biggest conundrum, good and evil. If god is all powerful , made the Universe and included evil in it, then yep, God is evil.

He could testify though in the Hague, why he let tens of millions suffer and die horribly in World Wars.

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: JoshuaCox

I sometimes think that most organics are evil, and most inorganics are not.

Do not know why...

Interesting take. IOW, man made stuff is evil.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

For one thing, nobody knows for certain if there is a hell. The second thing, nobody knows for certain that religious scriptures were the word of God. There's a lot of hypocrisy throughout the scriptures which you have pointed out. Some scriptures were even left out of the bible because they didn't conform to Christian beliefs or our perspective of a loving God. Even the Old Testament describes a jealous God as compared to a loving God in the new Testament. How many versions of the bible need to be published if there's only one true word of God??

I walked away from my Catholic religion because I was conflicted with so much of the hypocrisy. Hell I was educated in a private Catholic school, was an alter boy for 4 years, served masses and attended church almost everyday of the week!!! I learned throughout these years the questionable aspects of the bible and practices of my own religious faith were always met with explanations based upon a man made perspectives to justify God's motives. I've said it many times on ATS, if God is all knowing, why would he allow his prophets to create scriptures that could easily be open to interpretations?? If there's only one Supreme being, than there should only be one religion. Yet the world has numerous religions, and new ones being created every year!

If we all believer God created the universe, all living creatures, he's given us free will, and all the emotions and thoughts we possess, than God not only created good but also evil. If I go back to my numerous religious teachings, God created the angels and Satan himself. He kicked Satan out of heaven and let him roam the earth to temp and spread his evil among us innocent souls. Until the time comes where he will come down to earth and defeat Satan in the great battle of Armageddon. He will than judge the living and the dead. Blah, blah, blah. God also created the earth in 7 days. Hmmm... there's billions upon billions of planets in the Universe yet there was so much focus put upon this small rock of ours. We're soooo special according to our religious beliefs. Yet Earth and its inhabitants was picked to live among the evil of Satan.

Religion is nothing but pure faith. There's no concrete credible evidence of heaven nor hell. All we have is what has been found on ancient scrolls. That alone doesn't give any credibility to the notion it came from God. Human beings have been trying to justify their existence for thousands of years.

It comes down to this, a supreme being or source had to create life and the universe. Someone had to create the matter in which it was formed. What waits for us on the other side of this plane of existence NOBODY KNOWS! Religions were formed to control their followers and justify human existence. Many religions have been involved in killings in the past of non-believers, and as we all know, even to its present day. Soldiers pray to their God before going into battle, yet doesn't one of the 10 commandments clearly state "I shall not kill?" Isn't our enemy still one of God's creations?

If you believe God gave us free will, than he also gave us free will to question our religious beliefs.

God is everything. Good does not exist without evil. Love does not exist without hate. Atheists do not exist without religion. There is a balance, kind of like the philosophy of yin yang. According to the bible, we are created in God's image, giving us the power to destroy or create. Our free will determines which path we choose to follow. I recommend everyone listen to professor Jordan Peterson's breakdown of religious archetypes to gain a better understanding of religion & the human psyche.