UK Election 2017

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

What i read earlier is your vote today determines if brexit will actually happen or not.

were did you read that!

100% misinformed.

We already voted for brexit and every major party other than SNP have said they will respect the will of the British people to leave the EU

On ZH they have polls saying that the Conservatives (Tories)will be 12 short of a majority.Other than the obvious,if this ends up being true,what does it mean?Thank You.

www.zerohedge.com...

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
On ZH they have polls saying that the Conservatives (Tories)will be 12 short of a majority.Other than the obvious,if this ends up being true,what does it mean?Thank You.

www.zerohedge.com...

It means they are 12 short of a majority.

In which case they either rule as a minority government or they try to enter into a coalition with another party

It's looking like the tories are gonna be down more seats. It looks like there losing battersea and Northampton.
You just never know, Labour might creep in.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

It may even mean another vote again this year.

That could be four important votes in 3 years (3 general elections and eu referendum). Not sure if thats happened before. Off to check google

Just checked between 74-77. Two general elections and 2 referendums(one foer eec and one for northern Ireland sovereignty).

right am off to bed

a reply to: ipsedixit

Come on Jeremy Corbyn

Bloody Scots voting tory??? My Scottish grandparents will be turnong in their graves. Shame on you Scotland

A hung parliament. The best news this morning is an even further diminished poisonous tartan dwarf.

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: ipsedixit

Come on Jeremy Corbyn

He's had a good night.

Here's the final tally, except for Kensington, where three recounts have failed to determine a winner. The results were very close to those predicted by the exit poll.



A rebuke for May and a huge validation of Corbyn. Young voters had an impact as did "remainers".

The Scots Nats have shown staying power and substance, though down from last election's high water mark.

This result could bring Nigel Farage back onto the domestic political scene.

Bottom line Britain hasn't found a way out of the woods yet, unfortunately.

What a peculiar election that was.

When it was announced it seemed like the Conservative majority would be strengthened in Westminster with Labour being even more sidelined. Then it would be time to play hard ball with the EU.

What transpired was nothing of the sort. Tonight Theresa May is still Prime Minister having 'won' the UK General Election. Jeremy Corbyn is still leader of the opposition. But looking at the headlines and TV news you'd have thought it was Labour who had won the election.

There were a number of factors at work.

Theresa May tried to make it all about her vs Corbyn, an incompetent buffoon, who couldn't even organize a birthday party never mind look after our nation. She was also over confident. Even being brazen enough to warn you not to get dementia or she'd be after your home to pay for your care. A big mistake.

Then after repeating how "strong and stable" she was she appeared weak and afraid when she declined to appear in televised debates. Along with the right wing dominated media the onslaught on Jeremy Corbyn continued.
From seemingly nowhere his campaign suddenly gained ground. Where May was stiff and awkward on a genial TV chat show, the BBC's One Show, Corbyn came on and was relaxed, a bit quirky, and like your friendly uncle. Probably not important at that time. But it was a kick start to people taking notice.

Then Jeremy upped his game and outflanked May with his social media campaign, his speaking around the nation and then appearing in a debate on TV. He actually campaigned on policies not personalities. More people began to take notice and were thinking he wasn't the fool they'd been told. Even the Tories were noticing it. He ended his campaign speaking in venues across Scotland, Wales and England yesterday to large crowds. May appeared to shun the people and take her votes for granted. While Corbyn appeared evasive on defence and association with 'terrorist' organisations this was far outweighed by the fact that he just performed better in the race to the line than May. Even though he just fell short in the end.

The election was obviously also affected by the 'independence' issue in Scotland. I know a few of my Scottish chums were voting Conservative because they wanted the SNP out and thought Labour to be a spent force. Others felt the SNP was the only choice.

The collapse of UKIP's vote was probably due to them being a one trick pony. Their work is done. But Labour seemed to benefit more than the Tories.

It was also notable that the majority of party leaders were women. Perhaps a welcome sign of the times. Unfortunately for the Conservatives Theresa May is probably the least charismatic of the lot. She could learn lessons from her party leader in Scotland. Ruth Davidson is more natural engaging with the public and a better speaker. Her performance earned gains from the SNP.

Also more younger people seemed to be inspired to vote this time around. The future is theirs to inherit and I am glad they are noticing the importance of politics.

So what of the future?

Ultimately the Tories stay in power but it seems that Labour won some very important battles. UKIP will probably fade away and become irrelevant now. Unless Farage decides to make yet another comeback. We will leave the EU. But due to the complexity of negotiations we may well end up staying in the single market with perhaps a special deal to keep all parties happy and prevent the lorries queuing up at Dover.

I have no idea what will happen with Scotland. I think the divisiveness from the constant talk of referendums until Scotland leaves the UK and the extra debate over Brexit make it very difficult to predict.

I also don't know whether May will face political death by the usual suspects within her own party, whether the alliance with the DUP will ultimately succeed or fail and whether politics really has returned to the ways of the old two party system. Only time will tell.

The worst thing about this election is that it didn't really decide anything in a decisive way. It's not a good situation. I can't see how anyone, even in the Conservative Party, can have confidence in May to negotiate BREXIT properly.

It's really a mess. It is hard to say what will happen, but the onus is clearly on the Conservatives to tighten things up at the top in a hurry to be ready for the BREXIT talks.