Evolutionists, what are the "evolutionary advantages" of homosexuality?

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: Antipathy17
a reply to: Golantrevize

Perfect rebuttal question.

Even if gays can't reproduce, they have value as an individual in society. Hunter... gather... house keep.

That's besides the point.

It doesn't answer the question: what is the "evolutionary advantage" of homosexuality??

A contributing male who wont challenge the mating hierarchy seems pretty useful.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: firefromabove

They are simply a statistical inevitability, much in the same way that some people are born to never actually understand evolution and the evolutionary process.

Actually most people fully understand evolution before coming to the conclusion that its nonsense.

If homosexuality is a statistical inevitably, then clearly its not a good thing

Thanks for admitting it.

Babies born blind, deaf or disabled are also "statistical inevitabilities". Good job admitting that homosexuality is a defect.

Quod erat demonstrandum

Speak English.

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: HaurusTheShaman

That works fine in countries that allow such forms of "procreation" for gay people. But it's the exception not the rule.

If gays need legislation to reproduce, then it doesn't speak well of homosexuality as a product of evolution

Gays don't "need legislation to reproduce", they just need to NOT have legislation to prevent them from reproducing.

Evolutionary advantage;

Social flexibility increasing the ability of a tribe's ability to rapidly adapt to changing environmental challenges.

Additionally, the "Twin-Spirit" members of a tribe (not just among Native Americans, BTW) often served as teachers and shamans.

a reply to: firefromabove

Could be population control.. maybe..

Back in hunter gatherer days I bet a couple percent of the population being gay could swing birth rates quite a bit..

Maybe why you have higher numbers of homosexuals in urban areas..

Or it could be a mental defect..

A defect so central to a persons core that no amount of pharmaceuticals or Jesus will fix it..

One so fundamental to the ID that we cannot even diagnosis it correctly let alone cure it..

So akin to autism.. if the autistic kid feels like he is superman.. we all pretend he is superman..

Autism is a mental defect we can't fix, so we don't try and cram reality down their throats.. or those that do are considered a holes...

No one knows yet for sure..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

The condition was included in the DSM.

DSM I classified these orientations under "paraphilia," and DSM II under "sexual orientation disturbance." DSM III further modified this to "ego-dystonic homosexuality," before finally dropping the subject from DSM-III-R (and subsequent editions).

originally posted by: Antipathy17

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: Antipathy17
a reply to: Golantrevize

Perfect rebuttal question.

Even if gays can't reproduce, they have value as an individual in society. Hunter... gather... house keep.

That's besides the point.

It doesn't answer the question: what is the "evolutionary advantage" of homosexuality??

A contributing male who wont challenge the mating hierarchy seems pretty useful.

A society could get rid of homosexuals entirely and still have the "contributions" coming and the mating hierarchy intact

I still don't see an evolutionary advantage in homosexuality

If anything, its a death sentence for a gay individuals genes. His lineage ends with him.

a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuality can have a number of benefits in an evolutionary perspective.

One it's for pleasure. It's strictly their for enjoyment and happiness. That in itself de stress and improves the quality of life. Making live longer giving you the opportunity to benefit your community.

Two when resources are scarce Homosexuality is a better alternative then heterosexual sex. To conserve resources but still satisfy animal urges.

Three Homosexuality works to keep a cohesive community if there are not enough mating partners to go around.


Edit. Also I believe this thread is assuming that Homosexuality is the rigid modern interpretation that a Homosexual you are unable to find the opposite sex attractive therefore unable to make babies. I'm sure they exist but like all things in life there are many shades of grey.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: HaurusTheShaman

That works fine in countries that allow such forms of "procreation" for gay people. But it's the exception not the rule.

If gays need legislation to reproduce, then it doesn't speak well of homosexuality as a product of evolution

Gays don't "need legislation to reproduce", they just need to NOT have legislation to prevent them from reproducing.

Regardless of legislation, gays by nature can't reproduce. Didn't you learn about how babies are made?

Also, if gays need external assistance to reproduce, then it simply proves there is no evolutionary advantage to their condition. And that they are an evolutionary dead end

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuals didn't evolve.

They are simply a statistical inevitability, much in the same way that some people are born to never actually understand evolution and the evolutionary process.

Actually most people fully understand evolution before coming to the conclusion that its nonsense.

If homosexuality is a statistical inevitably, then clearly its not a good thing

Thanks for admitting it.

Babies born blind, deaf or disabled are also "statistical inevitabilities". Good job admitting that homosexuality is a defect.

Star for you

I admit beer is a liquid. So is water. Did I just admit that beer is water?

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuals didn't evolve.

They are simply a statistical inevitability, much in the same way that some people are born to never actually understand evolution and the evolutionary process.

Actually most people fully understand evolution before coming to the conclusion that its nonsense.

If homosexuality is a statistical inevitably, then clearly its not a good thing

Thanks for admitting it.

Babies born blind, deaf or disabled are also "statistical inevitabilities". Good job admitting that homosexuality is a defect.

Star for you

I admit beer is a liquid. So is water. Did I just admit that beer is water?

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: HaurusTheShaman

That works fine in countries that allow such forms of "procreation" for gay people. But it's the exception not the rule.

If gays need legislation to reproduce, then it doesn't speak well of homosexuality as a product of evolution

Gays don't "need legislation to reproduce", they just need to NOT have legislation to prevent them from reproducing.

Regardless of legislation, gays by nature can't reproduce. Didn't you learn about how babies are made?

Also, if gays need external assistance to reproduce, then it simply proves there is no evolutionary advantage to their condition. And that they are an evolutionary dead end

Who cares, leaves more women for you right? Rejoice in that.

originally posted by: DiaJax
a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuality can have a number of benefits in an evolutionary perspective.

One it's for pleasure. It's strictly their for enjoyment and happiness. That in itself de stress and improves the quality of life. Making live longer giving you the opportunity to benefit your community.

Two when resources are scarce Homosexuality is a better alternative then heterosexual sex. To conserve resources but still satisfy animal urges.

Three Homosexuality works to keep a cohesive community if there are not enough mating partners to go around.

Communities can remain cohesive and find ways to conserve resources and even prosper without homosexuals being part of the community.

If anything, homosexuals with their higher rates of AIDS (proven by statistics) pose a serious threat to any community

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originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: DiaJax
a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuality can have a number of benefits in an evolutionary perspective.

One it's for pleasure. It's strictly their for enjoyment and happiness. That in itself de stress and improves the quality of life. Making live longer giving you the opportunity to benefit your community.

Two when resources are scarce Homosexuality is a better alternative then heterosexual sex. To conserve resources but still satisfy animal urges.

Three Homosexuality works to keep a cohesive community if there are not enough mating partners to go around.

Communities can remain cohesive and find ways to conserve resources and even prosper without homosexuals being part of the community.

If anything, homosexuals with their higher rates of AIDS (proven by statistics) pose a serious threat to any community

Except aids only really came around, around the early 1900's

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: DiaJax
a reply to: firefromabove

Homosexuality can have a number of benefits in an evolutionary perspective.

One it's for pleasure. It's strictly their for enjoyment and happiness. That in itself de stress and improves the quality of life. Making live longer giving you the opportunity to benefit your community.

I can not agree with that at all.

That's great! An an incredible stunt!! I do think if it was a natural thing, someone got duped!a reply to: ColdWisdom

They can't reproduce so exactly why did they evolve that way? According to Darwin's hypothesis, what evolutionary "advantage" does homosexuality have?

How is it not the same as saying "sterility has an evolutionary advantage"?

If you can't reproduce, you can't evolve. And if you can't e evolve, you're a dead end and your genes will exit the gene pool.

Homosexuals can reproduce. We can point to any number of gay people with children. Your questions are dead ends, not their genes.

originally posted by: firefromabove

They can't reproduce so exactly why did they evolve that way?

According to Darwin's hypothesis, what evolutionary "advantage" does homosexuality have?

How is it not the same as saying "sterility has an evolutionary advantage"?

If you can't reproduce, you can't evolve. And if you can't e evolve, you're a dead end and your genes will exit the gene pool.

I gotta tell you, Sport, that I merely Googled "evolutionary advantages of homosexuality?" and got so many in depth scientific studies and more that you'd probably see when you don't Google it yourself.
I'll hardly waste my time when it wasn't important enough to you to spend 5 minutes with a search engine.
I smell a hateful agenda around your ignorant question.
Xtian?

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: HaurusTheShaman

That works fine in countries that allow such forms of "procreation" for gay people. But it's the exception not the rule.

If gays need legislation to reproduce, then it doesn't speak well of homosexuality as a product of evolution

Additionally, the "Twin-Spirit" members of a tribe (not just among Native Americans, BTW) often served as teachers and shamans.

Gays being shamans...getting high and teaching the tribe about sky fairies is an evolutionary advantage?????


LOOOL.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

They can't reproduce so exactly why did they evolve that way? According to Darwin's hypothesis, what evolutionary "advantage" does homosexuality have?

How is it not the same as saying "sterility has an evolutionary advantage"?

If you can't reproduce, you can't evolve. And if you can't e evolve, you're a dead end and your genes will exit the gene pool.

Homosexuals can reproduce. We can point to any number of gay people with children. Your questions are dead ends, not their genes.

Gays only have "children," by adoption or surrogates.... Only in countries that allow for it. Those countries are the exception and not the norm

Everywhere else, gay peoples genes are doomed to come to an end.

Still trying to see the "evolutionary advantage " of homosexuality.