Greatest Commandment

Asked "Which is the first of all the Commandments?" (or greatest)

Jesus (pbuh) speaks Wisdom:

Mark 12:29-32

"This is the first: Listen, Israel, the Lord our God is the one Lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: You must love your neighbor as yourself. There is no Commandment greater than these." The scribe said to him, "Well spoken, master."

Lord=YHVH
God=El/Elohim
Master=Rabban (a human title)


This is according to the rules of translation according to the O.T. This is always the case with Lord and God, YHVH-Elohim it Lord God.

But "the Lord OUR God is the ONE LORD."


Jesus (pbuh) speaks the truth. This is one half of Shahada, the Statement "There is no god but God, [and Mohammed is His Messenger]."


Jesus (pbuh) SHARES a God with us.

Remember that. Messiah, Prophet, AND has the same God as his disciples and us. Us as in humans.

Think about that for a minute.

Would Jesus (pbuh) say ONE, if he MEANT three, and would he then still say the secretly 3 but publicly 1 God is ALSO HIS God?

Sounds like you have a case of "Quadrinity" in this, if you accept the Trinity you have to add a fouth member.

Jesus(pbuh).

I follow the Greatest Commandment, though am not a Christian, both parts, to the letter and spirit of the letter both (which actually compliment each other and it is not a "one kills, one gives life" scenario).

So did the disciples.

Can Trinitarians say this, do you think?

3 is not 1 no matter how hard you try to make it.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

My spirit and my son are both a part of me.
Yet I am one.

a reply to: randyvs

And so is your son, one.

You both make 2.

You can say figuratively that you are one but literally it's impossible.

And does not really apply to God, tbh.

Jesus (pbuh) may have said "I and my Father are one."

Father and one are both figurative as it is "Our Father in Heaven" too.

And "Our God" WITH Jesus (pbuh), God is the God OF Jesus.

Not co-god with God.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Another Islamist trying to disprove Christianity, take number and wait for your turn. But since you are an adherent of Islam, you should put an effort to reform Islam which currently is full of Bad Ideas and Bad beliefs.

I follow the Greatest Commandment, though am not a Christian, both parts, to the letter and spirit of the letter both (which actually compliment each other and it is not a "one kills, one gives life" scenario).

Then i guess you do not love your neighbor since you said you follow the greatest command. Go figure...

Peace

a reply to: Seed76


Only I am not an "Islamist.".
That school of thought is Wahhabism and Salafism.

I am plain old Sunni.

Not an Islamist, a Muslim with a damn good point is what I am.

a reply to: Seed76



I didn't say I don't love my neighbors I said I did follow the Greatest Commandment, which is twofold, first and second, read the wording.

When Christians can't argue their own doctrines intelligibly which to be fair is impossible you have to resort to slander.

Do you think it is effective?

Not on me.

Just because I poke holes in Christian theology it has nothing to do with my religion, I could be an atheist and say the same thing and not be the first.

I proved according to Mark Jesus pbuh didn't think of himself AS God, no, he considered God HIS God and our God.

There is no rebuttal to what I have presented.

You are faced with few options here.

Tell the truth and admit what it says.

Try and use sophistry and make it make sense to you, even though it doesn't make sense to call a Messiah with the same God as us, "God."

Deny 1 means 1.

Or insult me for bringing up something I didn't write.

Yes I believe Christian theology is nonsense because it doesn't make sense to call someone God who NEVER CLAIMED HE WAS.

You want to insult me for that but you only dishonor your faith.

Churlish.

anyone/anything that demands love and praise does not deserve it.

the gods you all worship should be your enemies if you believe what you say.

The fact is Jesus pbuh said "The Lord our God is ONE GOD."

Christians believe in 3.

So aren't disciples of Jesus pbuh.

Disciples of Nicea is more the truth.

a reply to: wheresthebody

That's a pretty simple outlook on the matter.

God allows us not to love Him and could force us to if He chose.

So it is not a demand.

Just good advice. Simply put.

"There is no compulsion of any sort in religion."

Qur'an 2:256

To be fair if anyone wants to make a thread to poke holes in the Qur'an I would be happy to answer any questions.

Just make the thread and don't insult me.

I didn't write Mark or the Nicene Creed.

Unlike the Bible every question has a straightforward answer and it isn't full of illogical ramblings, although it is not the type of Book you will understand without knowledge of the historical context of certain verses, so I recommend reading one with Tafsir.

Ibn Kathir, Al-Jalalayn, excellent for the beginner in Qur'an.

I would not insult anybody, just calmy answer.

So if anyone wants to do so to even things out I support you fully, that is, fibd something about the Qur'an to debate.

originally posted by: Disturbinatti
The fact is Jesus pbuh said "The Lord our God is ONE GOD."

Christians believe in 3.

No, the Christians do not believe in 3 Gods, they believe in one God. In Christianity God exists in three persons known as the Trinity i.e. the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Anyway. What Bible version are you using to extract these quotes? Mark 12:29-32 has got a bit more meat in the KJ version.

Islam was a competitor religion set up half a millennia after the birth of Jesus. It attempts to dovetail into the existing Christian and Jewish traditions (of the time), while attempting to remain distinct and in so doing seeks to invalidate Christianity. Islam relegates Jesus to mere prophet and disputes large parts of the Bible. i.e. the fact Jesus was crucified. Is that your intention here?

a reply to: paraphi


Tri=3

Yes, they do.

They SAY 3 are 1.

It's not logical because God is 1 according to the entire Bible AND Jesus (pbuh) who has a God and can't be God too.

"The Lord our God is ONE God."

"OUR God."

Jesus pbuh has a God.

Can't also be God.

Unless you have multiple Gods.

Sorry, they do. Tri-(3)nity.

originally posted by: Disturbinatti
a reply to: Seed76


Only I am not an "Islamist.".
That school of thought is Wahhabism and Salafism.

I am plain old Sunni.

Not an Islamist, a Muslim with a damn good point is what I am.

Islam and christianity have no good points. Is there anything about islam you disagree with?

a reply to: Woodcarver

I disagree with what ignorant people say ABOUT Islam.

But not with it, no. Why would I be a Muslim if I didn't agree with it?

a reply to: Disturbinatti

I was never there to hear Mohammed's words therefore like Christianity we can have fun poking at what we think their spoken words were - rather fruitless other than Love is the greatest commandment.

I cannot love the creator of this fallen world - as its free will made it corrupt

a reply to: paraphi

And yet a follower of the words of Jesus would abhor the idea of the Trinity

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

If you say so but it's actually healthy if people are respectful and don't insult persons.

Ignoring people and their beliefs because you don't agree is fruitless.

I like to ask questions when things don't add up.

It's what should be done,and is.

Check out Deedat on YouTube then tell me that.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: paraphi

And yet a follower of the words of Jesus would abhor the idea of the Trinity

Should.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight


In the Golden Age debate was a public event regarding religion and they had a rule where you could not use scripture because not everyone used the same Book.

But that has changed.

It is still good if people are mature. If not you have me, it'd be fruitless. But I try.