Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin

a reply to: Idreamofme

You must be mistaking draining the swamp with filling it up to the brim.

In with the new boss same as the old boss.

Bankers still there? check. Wall Street insiders still there? check. Defense contractors? check. Dirty lying politicians? double check.

a reply to: rickymouse

I don't know... I think its a bit suspect how Trump supporters label all critical news as fake news. Its a bit over the top and desperate.

Even Fox is edging their bets with this one.

a reply to: rickymouse

Its not only the Post, it’s also the Times and the WSJ and other news outlets. There going to roast Trump!...In a huge tag team and also it’s the leakers. They are likely from the FBI. This is a powerful and organized effort.


Look at the owners of the Post and the NYT.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: rickymouse

I don't know... I think its a bit suspect how Trump supporters label all critical news as fake news. Its a bit over the top and desperate.

The Washington Post has lost all credibility in my mind. I have seen so much twisted crap coming out of it that I know we are not dealing with a mouth, it is coming out of their ___-insert three letter word.

We will see what determination is made by the specialists investigating this latest information, they have all the facts on this and they have intelligence training and experience. Until the committee says it happened, it has not. The Post should not even be posting information like that without it being reviewed by the investigating body. I do not trust anything the Washington Post says anymore.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: rickymouse

Its not only the Post, it’s also the Times and the WSJ and other news outlets. There going to roast Trump!...In a huge tag team and also it’s the leakers. They are likely from the FBI. This is a powerful and organized effort.


Look at the owners of the Post and the NYT.

The people at the Times and WSJ use the Washington Post articles as a reference some times. They call it an official report because it is a Washington Post report and they are officially a Media making a report. If you have six papers copying crap from one paper, it is still crap it is just that they are parroting the crap.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

I don't know... I think its a bit suspect how Trump supporters label all critical news as fake news. Its a bit over the top and desperate.

Because no matter how many times trump, wikileaks, russia, even the "intelligence" agencies say "theres no collusion" or "yall are reporting wrongly", the msm still does their thing. (Spreading rumors and lies).

They basically just try to drown out any opposing view by repeating the same propaganda every day and ignoring any other opinion than their own.

Total farce and the public are starting to see through it because of msm arrogance. This used to work brilliantly, but msm got sloppy and ingenuine.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: Ohanka


Haha... so you're going with pure denial... Well, that's an option.

Nope. There is no evidence. Just hearsay based on "anonymous" sources.

Surely after months and months of this "confirmed" stuff, and all these alleged officials coming forward, someone would leak an actual document or something? Some piece of paper that actually proves it?

Until then I will continue to assume this is all lies because these news organisations are simply not to be trusted anymore.

Oh no...not ANONYMOUS SOURCES again...sigh. I was going to read this thread until seeing your post. Thanks for the tip. Moving along....

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: Ohanka


Haha... so you're going with pure denial... Well, that's an option.

Nope. There is no evidence. Just hearsay based on "anonymous" sources.

Surely after months and months of this "confirmed" stuff, and all these alleged officials coming forward, someone would leak an actual document or something? Some piece of paper that actually proves it?

Until then I will continue to assume this is all lies because these news organisations are simply not to be trusted anymore.

Oh no...not ANONYMOUS SOURCES again...sigh. I was going to read this thread until seeing your post. Thanks for the tip. Moving along....

Lol oh no, not that fundamental right of a free press again. Darn that protection of sources.

So, if establishing a backdoor channel to the Kremlin is 'ok' and well accepted, why the need for secrecy ?

Ambassador Sergei Kislyak told his superiors in Moscow that he and Kushner discussed ways to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring

...snip ...

Trump’s son-in-law made the proposal at a meeting in early December at Trump Tower in New York, weeks before Trump was sworn in, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by the US officials

...snip ...

Current and former US intelligence officials were astonished that he would have requested a secret back channel, calling it “naive” or “crazy” given the FBI’s close tabs on Russian officials in the US, the Post reported.

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In a separate development, the Washington Post also reported that the Senate intelligence committee, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race, has asked Trump’s political organization to produce all documents, emails and phone records dating from his campaign’s launch in June 2015.

Link

Despite everything, the last paragraph jumps out and merits the repeat :

the Senate intelligence committee, which is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 presidential race, has asked Trump’s political organization to produce all documents, emails and phone records dating from his campaign’s launch in June 2015

Perhaps 'opaque' donations to the Trump campaign will raise few eyebrows,
maybe the realisation that Cambridge Analytica were massively involved in skewing the election,
whatever ...there'll be a lot of rebuttals to do: little wonder Trump needs to hire 'street fighters' !

After 130 days in, Trump sure seems to be in lame duck land
not that it should come as any surprise to anyone

Why would you need a secret channel to discuss strategy in Syria?

a reply to: jordan77

Cuz deepstate leaks

a reply to: Ohanka

Maybe I can start my own newspaper. This stuff seems really easy. Just make up a bunch of crap with a globalist-leaning slant and add the usual buzzwords.

Yeah it's hardly like the Washington Post has any history of digging up political misdoings , we should just ignore what they report because .... ?

Best stick with Fox , no fake news there.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: pirhanna

So why the need for secret communications?

LOL, ask yourself that, but add, "why now?" then think for a minute. No, I mean with your brain.

Now, why would the Trump admin need a secret back channel if they had been colluding with Russia all along?

Never mind, the thread title sounds good and it's easier to just run with that instead of using any thought at all.

a reply to: network dude

Now, why would the Trump admin need a secret back channel if they had been colluding with Russia all along?

Kushner, then President-elect Trump’s son-in-law and confidant, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower

Perhaps because the alleged links between the administration and Russia were big news in December and a secret channel was deemed necessary to avoid further scrutiny of their contacts.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now, why would the Trump admin need a secret back channel if they had been colluding with Russia all along?

Kushner, then President-elect Trump’s son-in-law and confidant, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower

Perhaps because the alleged links between the administration and Russia were big news in December and a secret channel was deemed necessary to avoid further scrutiny of their contacts.

Wouldn't that indicate that Trump Towers was in fact wiretapped? How else would they have that information, and more importantly, how do we know about this before the investigation is complete? Seriously, do you folks who really want this to be true, apply any critical thinking at all?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now, why would the Trump admin need a secret back channel if they had been colluding with Russia all along?

Kushner, then President-elect Trump’s son-in-law and confidant, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower

Perhaps because the alleged links between the administration and Russia were big news in December and a secret channel was deemed necessary to avoid further scrutiny of their contacts.

So then, they used non secret channels to collude with Russia to get elected and then decided after the election that they needed to be secret.

Yeah, that makes sense

a reply to: network dude

Wouldn't that indicate that Trump Towers was in fact wiretapped?

No , according to the article linked by the OP the information is said to come from intercepts of Russian communications.

Seriously, do you folks who really want this to be true, apply any critical thinking at all?

If there are links between the President of the USA and an enemy power I want them to be exposed , don't you ?
I find Trumps antagonism toward the press and security services suspicious and indicative of someone with something to hide , time will tell if that suspicion is borne out .

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Wouldn't that indicate that Trump Towers was in fact wiretapped?

No , according to the article linked by the OP the information is said to come from intercepts of Russian communications.

Seriously, do you folks who really want this to be true, apply any critical thinking at all?

If there are links between the President of the USA and an enemy power I want them to be exposed , don't you ?
I find Trumps antagonism toward the press and security services suspicious and indicative of someone with something to hide , time will tell if that suspicion is borne out .

You should be more worried if there are NOT links between the President of the USA and an enemy power - not that Russia are enemies. It's the President's job to communicate. If he thought that they were being spied on then it makes sense that he would open up a new channel of communication that he had control over instead of relying on those that were spying on him. Moreover he already openly stated that he would talk to Russia before his inauguration if he won the election.

The dates of the 1st and 2nd Dec actually do more to prove there was no collusion during the election.

Do you know if this was limited to his communications with Russia - or was he also doing the same for other channels to foreign countries?

I doubt there is anything unusual about the Executive Branch, or one transitioning, setting up their communication channels. The difference is you are SEEING more of the behind the scenes activity and outlets like WaPo are just cherry picking to support a narrative.

Even if that snippet of conversation leaked were true, it would be good for someone to explain exactly what is unusual or criminal about it.

Here is the worst part about this Russian back channel from the Washington Post.

"Kislyak reportedly was taken aback by the suggestion of allowing an American to use Russian communications gear at its embassy or consulate — a proposal that would have carried security risks for Moscow as well as the Trump team."

You can't make this stuff up. The more information that comes out about this unholy union between Trump and Russia, the more ludicrous and brazenly stupid the Trump administration looks.