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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Caver78
If he meant what you're saying, he could've just said that. But that's not what he said.
I also find it ironic that he's the one saying this, seeing as he's a rich celebrity who's had his own tv show(s), has been an opera singer, and was even a host for QVC (the channel that sells all those random products). It just reeks of hypocrisy. It reminds me of the people who "warn" kids not to try something simply so they can keep that thing to themselves.
ETA: He's a concrete example of "monetizing your dreams", so I'd expect him to preach about that, not about the opposite.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: seasonal
I can agree with what you're saying. I just don't think we should encourage people not to follow those passions in the first place, or to simply follow them as "hobbies". Too many people seem scared of failure. When following my dreams, I've failed more times than I can count. But I also had some amazing successes and wouldn't trade those memories for anything.
Well, there are a few that I'd trade like almost getting stuck at an airport in another country with no one I know being there & without knowing the main language. Or having an empty tank of gas while being stuck in another State with my credit card declined and no cash on me (and missing a gig in the process). Or having police raid a club while we were performing onstage; or police raid one of our 4 studios, etc.
a reply to: randomtangentsrme
If you pursue a degree that you don't care about, that implies that you were already doing it strictly for the potential job opportunities instead of for personal passions. So how would this apply to you or to your hypothetical example?
And you mention "equal standing in gaining employment", as if people can't or don't start their own businesses. I keep mentioning monetizing your dreams, which is a fancy way of saying "find ways to make money doing the things you love". There are more than a million millionaires in the US and something like 80% got that way from starting their own businesses (those are old stats now so it's probably more).
If your only idea of "making income" is to work for someone else, then who's fault is that? Ironically, I was always told that the American Dream was something completely different from working a 9 to 5 doing crap I don't care for. Hence why I keep repeating that we need to focus on teaching students how to monetize their dreams/passions.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: c2oden
As condescending as your posts have been, I shouldn't be surprised that you'd change the subject once your assumptions were proven wrong. But since I only call strangers "bro" or "bruh" when I still have a positive view towards them, I'll gladly stop calling you that.
ETA: No fair. You edited your post after I replied. Happy Ramadan/Ramadan Mubarak to you too.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: ketsuko
I also don't think doing a job you don't like is the end of the world.
I have done jobs I did not like, but in the end I was making an hourly wage so who cares.
If the world only ran when people loved what they did for a living, nothing would get done.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Caver78
Working skilled trades for most of my career, there are few that want to get into the mess and hard physical work that skilled trades can be.
originally posted by: opethPA
I saw Mike Rowe giving the closing keynote at CIsco Live 2 years ago and he was one of the better speakers I have seen.
He was really focused on the idea that people who say "work smarter not harder" are destined to never win while those that "work harder and smarter" are the ones to succeed..
Couldnt agree more..
I can tell you that when I meet folks coming out of college at my place of employment it is amazing what they expect having not earned anything yet. I think part of that comes from the belief of "I have a specialized college degree so Im something special even though I haven't done anything yet professionally" which is sort of in line with what the OP is saying.
originally posted by: eManym
Has anyone watched the Dirty Jobs show and said, "Hey, I have done that." Many get tired of doing crappy jobs that no-one else wants and decide to get out of it by earning a college degree thinking they can better their situation. Some might work in their field of choice for some years but believe me if they don't get into a management role that high salary won't last long. Most Corporations use employees then discard them for the new batch of new grads that will work for the lower salaries. Then the discarded ones find they are back working that crappy job just to survive and have one added bonus, college debt.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: enlightenedservant
I think Mike is talking about the youngsters that have grand plans and no talent to do what ever they think they are good at.
Perhaps there is a gap between reality and dreams. In society there is truths, and sure some people do have what it takes to run a record label. The market will tell you if you are good or not.