Evolutionists, how do you explain this?

originally posted by: Tinystarlight
a reply to: SaturnFX

Oh yea.

I had a demon in my room. It was at the threshold of my doorway. And its face was as tall and wide as the door was. And it was looking at me.

Sounds like the demons are more into your lifestyle than mine then. perhaps its controlling you now.

You dismiss out of hand so many things you do not even know.

Dismiss..hmm. I dont know of any deities. I dismiss someone saying they know the truth when they can provide no strong evidence.

Now, heres something for you. wanna know what I don't dismiss?
ghosts
thats right. ghosts. I dont claim to know what a "ghost" is outside of the experience that is likened to it
I dont dismiss it because even though again, no strong evidence in the public, I have had profound experiences personally. My skepticism has allowed me to investigate these experiences, along with keep at bay crystal gazers, religious, and otherwise easy answer know it alls, along with keep at bay the cynics who simply reject the notion on principle. calling me either a liar or whatever. skepticism keeps me balanced and grounded against the purvayors of truth by people like you and the other side of the coin..both selling their belief.

I dont believe there are no gods. I simply have seen no evidence of a god, nor even a necessary component for the case of a deity. Maybe there is, but I dont think thats enough reason just to believe in one for the hell of it.
A bit like how I don't know if there are plejarian aliens...I don't believe there are..could be, but until evidence comes either in public or personally and strong, then no reason to either believe or strongly deny the possibility of..it simply isn't in the realm of real yet

You think your knowledge is so great,

my knowledge is limited. I think the people who have done the legwork and endless years researching, testing, studying, etc have helped my understanding enough to have a rough grasp of this physical universe.

I would not dream to know you or your life story.

Hmm..didn't you just get done discussing how I think my knowledge is soo great..sounds like you were attempting to label me just there
tisk tisk. one sentence apart. not even a separate paragraph

And you will never admit it.

Admit what? that you seen a demon?
Why would I admit that? could be a thousand different scenarios going on there. I am surprised you were soo quick to label your experience.
Imagine if it was an angel...or you were having a stroke, or an alien, a interdimensional traveller, a time traveller, a mutated person that was in your place, a holographic projection, a ghost, a elf, a etc...
or imagine if you just lied just to make some case and some "gotcha" point

You will die with your lie.

Alas we all must meet the reaper in our own way with our own lies

While I live with the truth. And that is why you will pass on. Along with the rest of the arrogant skeptics.

Ahh pride. its my favorite sin.

yet are full of arrogance and haughtiness. .

You are like a merchant of irony

a reply to: Tinystarlight

Hell in my eyes would be stuck with someone like you for the rest of my life. But that aside, lets get back on topic because your either very thick or a troll.

I believe that enough has been said from the evolution camp but not enough to disprove from the other side of the fence. Just saying "nu uh!" does not constitute evidence nor is it a valid argument. You need to formulate an actual response to the evidence presented to you.

originally posted by: thekaboose
a reply to: Tinystarlight

Hell in my eyes would be stuck with someone like you for the rest of my life. But that aside, lets get back on topic because your either very thick or a troll.

Well come on now, he isn't that bad. a spirited religious discussion is always fun. its like talking to a trekkie who just forgot its not real. Still can be a fun chat.

And he is most likely a fairly decent guy when not harping on the religious stuff. Lets hate the idea without hating the person. thats only one part.

Besides, could be worse..could be debating a scientologist.

originally posted by: Tinystarlight
And this is your error. You imagine if you force your ideas upon the rest of mankind, which you will, that something will change. All you will do is end up exacting justice upon religion who is worthy of destruction.

But at the same time you in your blindness do not see you will restrict all the freedoms you have. You will have none.

And by then, when your eyes are forced open to see what is happening, it will be too late.

I don't remember ever seeing any atheists standing on street corners, with placards and leaflets, telling people to disbelieve or... well, nothing will happen to them. Instead I have often seen a lot of rather angry religious folks telling total strangers that they need to believe or convert, unless they want to go to hell. Or something.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in any kind of deity. I don't force my ideas on anyone. Why should I?
You on the other hand seem to think that atheists are driven by something demonic. I remain unconvinced.

a reply to: SaturnFX

Its on the same level but without the threat of being doxxed. All I asked for was evidence that it was wrong and Im labelled a lair. Its not a debate hes looking for its an argument.

originally posted by: thekaboose
a reply to: SaturnFX

Its on the same level but without the threat of being doxxed. All I asked for was evidence that it was wrong and Im labelled a lair. Its not a debate hes looking for its an argument.

Meh, he is new
Also has a view that anyone not on the same page with him is somehow simply wrong to his truth
I reckon he is young.
When you are young, you tend to have a very narrow and shaky foundation you try to protect.

You don't have to believe in man from monkey evolution in order to believe that a Higher Power enabled creatures to adapt to changing environments.

Evolution is not at odds with a belief in a Higher Power.

a reply to: Vector99

No, a mind didn't create cellular division. Cells aren't very complicatedan become pretty complex.

Was this a joke? Sarcasm?


Maybe this TED talk is for you.


Here is another TED talk with a man explaining how he worked with Harvard and others to make a realistic visualization of the complexities involved within the machines that are cells.


Here is their narrated work.


Not complicated? We have no idea how this "simple" cell came into being. That is why top scientists, when pressured how life started, admit they have no idea and fall back on 'aliens' created them.

a reply to: firefromabove

It's simple-you dig up the bones, use them as a template and compare them to modern animals.

Look at modern flightless birds and velociraptors-very similar hip bone structure and then you look at the vertebrae and notice the similarities. Beaks were a natural evolution after the K-T extinction as some dinosaurs were forced to adapt to a herbivorous lifestyle due to the scarcity of meat. Then over millions of years some carnivorous birds evolved sharper talons and beaks which is used to hunt the smaller mammals and the herbivorous have beaks that were developed to strip foliage. This occurs in mammalian species as well.

As Pearl Jam once sung 'it's evolution baby.'

originally posted by: firefromabove
How is it that evolutionist "scientists" look at a single jawbone or a thigh bone of some extinct animal and then somehow just "know" what the rest of the animal looked like?
Most images we have of extinct animals are artist renderings, based on one jawbone or thighbone!
Anybody can see that evolutionists operate not on evidence but on imagination and assumptions. If you feel otherwise please explain.

It's very easy. I will explain but I doubt you will hear me. Most animals, especially mammals, have hair, two eyes, two arms, two feet, two shins, two legs, one butt, one butt hole, two nostrils, one mouth, teeth, skin, blood, liver, kidney, stomach, heart, bladder, spine (unless they are Democrats), penis, vagina, and most importantly, tits. Now you could argue it's all just a coincidence. Or, you could have a rationale mind and see there's a pattern. Surely you can see the pattern here.

Now lets consider a fish. A basic lower animal form we are supposed to have evolved from:



Taken from: thegab.org...

We have two eyes. The fish has two eyes. We have two nostrils. The fish has two nostrils. We have a spine. The fish has a spine. We have a mouth and poop hole. The fish has a mouth and a poop hole. We have two arms. The fish has two pectoral fins. We have two legs the fish has two ventral fins. We have a tail bone. The fish has a tail. If you study evolution it is very convincing that evolution is science fact.

Now the question becomes why do you care? Is your faith in God so weak that you do not believe our God has omnipotent powers? Once you accept we have an omnipotent God, what difference does evolution make? An omnipotent God can create the Universe in any amount of time, at any moment, even 2 minutes ago, and include all your fake memories, and fake fossil and carbon dating evidence. An omnipotent God is not bounded by the laws of logic or physics. So my question to you is why is your faith in God so weak that you see the science of evolution as a threat to your worldview?

The sudden explosion of species disproves evolution theory as they push it. All fossilized species suddenly appear in the strata fully formed. There should be an equal discovery of an explosion of missing links for all species, but none are found.

There were exponentially more species from the time period of the ancient strata than there are on the world today. Evolution is a failed system by evidence, it should be replacing and outpacing extinctions or it should have not peaked millions of years ago when the earth was less stable, more solar impacts, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc to impact extinction rates. The number of species peaks at the same time as these extinction events meaning the environment was too unstable to support evolution alone generating the massive amounts of species seen in the strata.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
The sudden explosion of species disproves evolution theory as they push it. All fossilized species suddenly appear in the strata fully formed. There should be an equal discovery of an explosion of missing links for all species, but none are found.

Evolution is the best scientific theory we have that best fits the facts as we know them. If you study the facts, the theory of evolution is quite convincing.

However, if prefer imaginary superstitious mumbo jumbo by all means keep on believing your favorite fairy tales.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
The sudden explosion of species disproves evolution theory as they push it. All fossilized species suddenly appear in the strata fully formed. There should be an equal discovery of an explosion of missing links for all species, but none are found.

Evolution is the best scientific theory we have that best fits the facts as we know them. If you study the facts, the theory of evolution is quite convincing.

However, if prefer imaginary superstitious mumbo jumbo by all means keep on believing your favorite fairy tales.

Evolution is imaginary superstitious mumbo jumbo. They take environmental adaptation which has only provided evidence during the decline of species and set it as the generator of species. It is insane.

a reply to: Jefferton

Well there are really only a couple of options. Science, or God.

And 'science' has to say it all started with aliens.

Well they compare the bones of any new species found with others of like nature
then build up over time a library of bones to which they then make educated guesses to fill in the blanks based on the combined intelligence of that specific scientific community

then update as they go with new evidence.

Ok so I'll ask you a question , how did god design and build all of these species of animals alone and how did he do it ?

any theories on that , or he just clicked his fingers and boom they existed
and he added new ones as he goes along right ?

What is your theory for that ?, sorry belief

I dont believe in evolution , I just think that its the best idea we have so far to explain why these creatures and ourselves exist
and so far it trumps GOD DID IT CUS GOD!

so please , outline the theory on how a god created all of these animals alone and in seven days

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
The sudden explosion of species disproves evolution theory as they push it. All fossilized species suddenly appear in the strata fully formed. There should be an equal discovery of an explosion of missing links for all species, but none are found.

There were exponentially more species from the time period of the ancient strata than there are on the world today. Evolution is a failed system by evidence, it should be replacing and outpacing extinctions or it should have not peaked millions of years ago when the earth was less stable, more solar impacts, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc to impact extinction rates. The number of species peaks at the same time as these extinction events meaning the environment was too unstable to support evolution alone generating the massive amounts of species seen in the strata.

No, they don't appear in the strata fully formed. I note that you failed to provide a single cite to back up your comments. I guess that the fact that there's a fossil record annoys you a great deal - enough so that you distort what we know from it.

a reply to: sapien82

Why even ask those questions. An omnipotent God is capable of anything.

But your science comments are right on.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
The sudden explosion of species disproves evolution theory as they push it. All fossilized species suddenly appear in the strata fully formed. There should be an equal discovery of an explosion of missing links for all species, but none are found.

There were exponentially more species from the time period of the ancient strata than there are on the world today. Evolution is a failed system by evidence, it should be replacing and outpacing extinctions or it should have not peaked millions of years ago when the earth was less stable, more solar impacts, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc to impact extinction rates. The number of species peaks at the same time as these extinction events meaning the environment was too unstable to support evolution alone generating the massive amounts of species seen in the strata.

No, they don't appear in the strata fully formed. I note that you failed to provide a single cite to back up your comments. I guess that the fact that there's a fossil record annoys you a great deal - enough so that you distort what we know from it.

It's pretty grim when the creationists have to argue over the facts used in supporting the theory of evolution. Sad really. This whole thread is a testament of the creationists lack of faith in their own beliefs. Why else would they care?

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I've wondered about insects too. (Was just reading about the bombardier beetle, what a fascinating creature!)

Evolutionists have many explanations about how they may have evolved but zero evidence

But you also wonder why would God intentionally create such a creature? You must wind up saying, "Well, he just did." So that is no better, (actually worse) than citing evolution as the cause without seeing the actual linage of fossils.

a reply to: firefromabove

Why don't you look up the answer yourself? I hope you know that asking a question that you think will stump "evolutionists" doesn't magically make your argument sound. It just makes it look like you are being deliberately ignorant and using ignorance to disprove a scientific theory. Go educate yourself on the answer to the question. You aren't being clever here.