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originally posted by: Willtell
Okay the one on the right is the Worshipful Master you say…fine.
But then why does he have the same apron as the new Master Mason?
Can you tell me what is the Grand Staff?
Btw this is the NYC Lodge on 23rd st
originally posted by: JoshNorton
It would appear NY allows coats over aprons? While for the jurisdiction of the previous photo that was clearly not the case.
Originally posted noonebutme
And also from a reality-based perspective, where there is zero evidence of demons and other ghoulish nasties.
Originally posted Sahabi
Hello Joecroft.
Personally, I've never experienced any mention of demons during any Lodge meeting, nor have I encountered reference or allusion to demons in any official documents of my Obedience. Demons, exorcisms, and hauntings are not mentioned at all, so there is no actual Masonic world view perspective on the matter. You'd have to consult the various religions, spiritualists, theistic satanists/demonists, magical Orders that incorporate demonology, or even some UFO groups.
We have freedom and liberty of our personal beliefs and opinions, so you would have to ask each individual Freemason what their personal view on the matter may be.
Satan is the son and lord of matter; and the secondary angels and demons, children of matter. Satan created and governs the visible world. But the soul of man emanated from God, and is of the same substance with God. Seduced by the evil spirits, it passes through various bodies, until, purified and reformed, it rises to God and is strengthened by His light.
originally posted by: Joecroft
Seems kinda strange that Masons don’t believe in Demons, when they're mentioned right there, in their text books…
originally posted by: DJMSN
a reply to: Joecroft
I don't believe Freemasonry is a religion but a fraternal organization with charitable goals in mind. And aside from a few bottles of Gin and tonic, I doubt they have any other Jin available and the last thing they want to deal with is another demon even though every lodge has one and he usually gets uncontrollable after consuming lots of Gin and tonic and they usually just throw Larry out.
Originally posted
Have you read all of Morals and Dogma?
Originally posted
If you did you would realize two things, Pike is recounting numerous mythologies and explaining their beliefs and that this is not a 'text book' as it was only written for a small audience; Scottish Rite Masons in the Southern Jurisdiction.
originally posted by: Joecroft
No, of course not…do I sound like a Mason lol..?
But surely the reason he’s expanding on other beliefs is to better understand the nature of them…
Why do all that study if your not tying it back into your own beliefs about God, or at the very least, using it as a comparative search for truth…?
I would definitely give you the shirt off your back.
Your pants on the other hand I am keeping.
Originally posted Joecroft
But surely the reason he’s expanding on other beliefs is to better understand the nature of them…
Originally posted AugustusMasonicus
This stands to reason.
Originally posted AugustusMasonicus
Does me reading about the Way of the Samurai mean I want to be a Samurai? Perhaps I just want to understand their practices in the context of their times.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Willtell
Okay the one on the right is the Worshipful Master you say…fine.
But then why does he have the same apron as the new Master Mason?
They are not the same.
Can you tell me what is the Grand Staff?
The Grand Staff are the officers of the Grand Lodge.
Btw this is the NYC Lodge on 23rd st
It doesn't look like New York Grand Lodge Masons. The regalia and aprons for New York are different from what they are wearing. Plus there is a photo of the Queen in the upper left corner.
This is the current Grand Master from New York, notice his apron is a different style and color:
originally posted by: Joecroft
And why is he trying to better understand them…considering they involve such topics as God, Spirit and…Demons…?
Now Masons believe in a God, so it stands to reason that those aspects discussed in “Morals and Dogma”, must tie back into a Masons beliefs…