Donald Trump's Budget Betrays His Pledge Not To Cut Social Security

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: veracity

Ah, the good old party flip argument. LBJ right? Is that the 'turning point'. When they decided to quit lynching black people and become the progressive socialist they are now and push liberal values out in the open and conservative values behind closed doors? Those steps actually began with T Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson around 1912-1916. This is when the 'Republicans' started to become the Progressive party which became the current day Democrats. It was not in the 60's.

A leopard never changes it spots...just who it shows them to.

if you know this then why are you blaming democrats for oppressing blacks since the 1800's? and yes it did happen over a long span of time and its hard to pinpoint an exact year much less decade or a single instance of when it happened?


Fact was...when blacks could vote...blacks supported the progressive party (democrats at the time) and snooty whites didnt want all of these blacks in their party so they jumped ship to the republican party...what it still is today

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Trump is a compulsive liar as evidenced by his own words and tweets.

And however long shot it may seem -- yes it can happen.

a reply to: matafuchs

do you really believe the things you are typing?

sad

He screwed his base altogether, not just those that get SS.

a reply to: dawnstar

ya sure... convince me that a 50+ person who has worked in a manufacturing field for just about all their life who can no longer do that kind of work because of a disability will be given a chance by employers in these types of jobs. they won't they would prefer to train a younger person and pay them an entry level wage and hoping that they will stick around for the long term!

those 50+ folks can get jobs that are 'part-time, no benefits' and be paid a fraction of a dollar above minimum wage per hour, and worked 39 hours a week every week and still not get benefits. working now in a seasonal retail local store

a reply to: butcherguy

What do you reckon the ratio is to stories like yours versus stories of people that fundamentally depend on and need these social safety nets for survival?

2 to 1? 20 to 1?

originally posted by: Catalina22

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: jjkenobi

Do you know how hard it is to get on that program? I have cancer and have been out of work for over a year... about at the end of all my benefits from SS and trying to switch to disability. I have a very hard time believing there is enough fraud to justify those cuts.

Perhaps you're not a good liar.

I've know quite a few over the years. More frauds then not I'm afraid. I know this isn't hard proof but it exists.

wow



just wow

How insightful.


...wow.

It all depends on who the cut affects. a reply to: iTruthSeeker

a reply to: JinMI

would you like to add any info or provide a link

it would help to illustrate the point

your numbers your plan

originally posted by: Catalina22
a reply to: JinMI

would you like to add any info or provide a link

it would help to illustrate the point

your numbers your plan

I would like you to clarify your post to me. Illustrate YOUR point in doing so in the first place. Happy to have a discussion. If I wanted to read snippets of opinion, I would join twitter.

originally posted by: FamCore
Assuming those numbers are anywhere near accurate, reducing some of that $3 billion of waster per year would produce savings that could easily surpass that $800 billion cut over a 10-year period.

But we won't know until we see the results, which wouldn't even be for several years.

How does reducing some of $30 billion in waste result in $800 billion in savings?

a reply to: butcherguy

SSDI encourages this. One of their goals for the program is they want people who are disabled to find some other source of employment. That's why they don't give most people enough to live on. It's so they're forced to do something else in order to not live in poverty... regardless of their disability percentage.

originally posted by: UKTruth
One stat that is very telling that he mentioned... just after the recession there were something like 43m people on food stamps, which had risen sharply from about 25m. It's at a high in recent times by many millions. Once the recession ended and after 8 years of growth, albeit small, the food stamp number has remained at 43m. Something is up there.

He also made it clear that no one who has legitimate need is going to lose benefits and they do have a way of determining who should and should not be receiving benefits. I think a lot of free loaders are going to have to drag their fat carcasses off the sofa and go to work.

The number has remained the same, despite a growing economy because of the fact that wages, and especially purchasing power for lower income people has declined. SNAP budgets have actually been cut significantly. 5 years ago I got $200/month for SNAP. Today it is $35 with no change in income. The decreases have been entirely due to cutbacks in the program.

If you want to get people off of food stamps, then make companies like Walmart pay people enough that they can buy food. It would help everyone out, and best of all... they wouldn't have to issue statements telling their employees to eat slower in order to feel more full during the holidays.

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: matafuchs
There are websites and "community organizations" that will walk people through the process to get government assistance. 1 in 4 people in the US is on government assistance. That is insane.

Almost 40% of all government assistance programs are used by African Americans while only making up 13% of the population. It is a business for some people. You can have 12 people all collecting SSDI, food stamps, using Medicaid and living in a home on Section 8 with provided phone and internet.

1. Have a few kids
2. Get on Welfare
3. Section 8
4. Medicaid
5. Hurt on job or fired multiple times then apply for SSDI
6. Work under table or sell illegal goods

SSDI is for those who need it. A 22 year old with 'back spasms' can be approved before someone who has lived to 55 and paid into their whole life. It needs to be revamped and that is what is occurring. This is like the ACA repeal and stating everyone will lost benefits and people will be dying in the streets.

In the end, I cannot blame them either. If the government wants to give away free money it is the fault of the government not them. Not that it is not right, morally, but then again not much is anymore.

There are websites and "community organizations" that will walk people through the process to get government assistance bc this assistance is meant to be used for those in need and do not know how or where to start. There is no shame in asking for help when you are in need.

It seems you do not know much about this screening system. You cannot get assistance if you are fired or quit a job. Most are poor whites and if there is any non-consistency with the percentage of those on govt assistance and the actual population it is obvious, if you care to look back on history, that the afro-american minority was very pushed back and degraded in our country's past. It is all still very connected if you take into consideration that these poor families in need have a history of being in poverty, parents, grandparents, great -grandparents for as long as they can remember. Are they supposed to automatically have enough $ to go to college or start up a winning business? It is unfortunately (but not always) passed down from generations of hard luck.

if you decide to turn a blind eye on our history and just be a racist then that is up to you. If you decide to turn a blind eye on the ACA and its benefits vs. "the revamping" of the health care system and just be an idiot...also, up to you.

You have free will to be as dumb and idiotic as you please

I know someone who gained enough weight to be qualified as literally too obese to work. That's their disability.

That's the world we live in. These cuts aren't even enough.

Plus if you do some drugs you can get paid to go to councilor and collect more money on top of it..

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: UKTruth
One stat that is very telling that he mentioned... just after the recession there were something like 43m people on food stamps, which had risen sharply from about 25m. It's at a high in recent times by many millions. Once the recession ended and after 8 years of growth, albeit small, the food stamp number has remained at 43m. Something is up there.

He also made it clear that no one who has legitimate need is going to lose benefits and they do have a way of determining who should and should not be receiving benefits. I think a lot of free loaders are going to have to drag their fat carcasses off the sofa and go to work.

The number has remained the same, despite a growing economy because of the fact that wages, and especially purchasing power for lower income people has declined. SNAP budgets have actually been cut significantly. 5 years ago I got $200/month for SNAP. Today it is $35 with no change in income. The decreases have been entirely due to cutbacks in the program.

If you want to get people off of food stamps, then make companies like Walmart pay people enough that they can buy food. It would help everyone out, and best of all... they wouldn't have to issue statements telling their employees to eat slower in order to feel more full during the holidays.

If Walmart is going to pay people more then Joe public has to be willing to pay more for goods since you are forcing them to increase their operating expenses.

originally posted by: JinMI
Perhaps you're not a good liar.

I've know quite a few over the years. More frauds then not I'm afraid. I know this isn't hard proof but it exists.

It's unlikely it's fradulent. In order to get on SSDI you need approval from multiple doctors, years worth of tests, and then followup exams with government appointed doctors who are tasked with trying to prevent you from getting on.

Remember, not every disability is readily apparent. Just because you don't see anything wrong with them, doesn't mean that that's the case.

originally posted by: Throes
If Walmart is going to pay people more then Joe public has to be willing to pay more for goods since you are forcing them to increase their operating expenses.

It would be a very small increase. Australia has double our minimum wage, with no appreciable change in the cost of goods for most items.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: JinMI
Perhaps you're not a good liar.

I've know quite a few over the years. More frauds then not I'm afraid. I know this isn't hard proof but it exists.

It's unlikely it's fradulent. In order to get on SSDI you need approval from multiple doctors, years worth of tests, and then followup exams with government appointed doctors who are tasked with trying to prevent you from getting on.

Remember, not every disability is readily apparent. Just because you don't see anything wrong with them, doesn't mean that that's the case.

No, it's fraudulent if not a full embellishment. I wouldn't just assume.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Trump has promised regularly to cut govt waste and fraud. That will more than make up the 4% proposed cut over 10 years. That's it. 4%. The media is acting like the entire program is scrapped.

And in most cases it's a cut in projected increases...So actually, no cuts at all...

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: JinMI
Perhaps you're not a good liar.

I've know quite a few over the years. More frauds then not I'm afraid. I know this isn't hard proof but it exists.

It's unlikely it's fradulent. In order to get on SSDI you need approval from multiple doctors, years worth of tests, and then followup exams with government appointed doctors who are tasked with trying to prevent you from getting on.

Remember, not every disability is readily apparent. Just because you don't see anything wrong with them, doesn't mean that that's the case.

You also have to have paid a certain amount into SSDI from working or you do not qualify. It's your money out of the claimed lock box.