Men Punished With Public Lashings for Same-Sex Relations in Indonesia

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia—Two men were lashed with a cane as punishment for having same-sex relations, part of a growing intolerance of sexual minorities that has marked the rise of more conservative Islam in the world’s largest Muslim-majority country.

The flogging Tuesday marked the first time the cane has been used to punish same-sex relations in the province of Aceh, though it is used for other offenses there.

The two men, identified as Muhammad Taufik, 23 years old, and Muhammad Habibi, 20 years old, were given 83 lashes each before a crowd of 1,000 to 1,500 people in front of a mosque in the capital of Aceh province on the northern tip of Sumatra Island.

Men Punished With Public Lashings for Same-Sex Relations in Indonesia

Dear Sharia States,

The current year is 2017....
Please set your clocks accordingly...

We are not living in the Stone Age...
In fact, humans have split the atom, landed on the moon and evolved from such barbarity...

So, to reiterate to my [hopefully] literate fellow Homo sapiens in sharia lands across the globe:
Stop with your Stone Age behavior and socially evolve for christs sake...
Oops, I said Christ...
Let me rephrase..
Stop with your Stone Age behavior and socially evolve for Mohameds[and aisha] sake...

-Chris

a reply to: Christosterone

83 lashes. holy # man

i can not imagine living in a place where i could get beaten for my sexual preferences.

thats just insanity

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: Christosterone

83 lashes. holy # man

i can not imagine living in a place where i could get beaten for my sexual preferences.

thats just insanity

It is utterly despicable.

This ethos is morally bereft and is sending our social evolution into a retrograde orbit.

-Chris

a reply to: Christosterone

The real crappy part of this story is that they were doing so in their own space...and neighbors broke in and filmed it on their cellphones to provide "proof."

What was the LGBT community's response?

Can anyone link their shouting down of the event?

My fiancee is from Indonesia. Ive been there with her many times. The thing to remember is that it is very different than here. What we consider appropriate or acceptable may not be there.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
My fiancee is from Indonesia. Ive been there with her many times. The thing to remember is that it is very different than here. What we consider appropriate or acceptable may not be there.

Please take your moral relativism to another thread...

-Chris

a reply to: Christosterone

Did you forget you create the same thread two weeks ago? LOL
ETA - Ah the other thread was about the prosecutors seeking caning for those two men. My bad.

a reply to: Christosterone

So what's right/wrong to us, should be the same to them...?
Maybe we should go 'free them'.

If their laws are considered archaic, forcing a society's values onto another is barbaric.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

Maybe we should go 'free them'.

we should absolutely not go free them...
not our problem

sucks for them for sure though
those would be the breaks.....

glad i dont live in a place like that....
must be terrible

not really for us or any other nation to swoop in to the rescue though

if our nation feels like helping someone or a cause, there are plenty of both in our own backyard

a reply to: odzeandennz

Yeah let's ignore our fellow human beings' sufferings. Jesus would be so proud. Samaritans would be too.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Christosterone

So what's right/wrong to us, should be the same to them...?
Maybe we should go 'free them'.

If their laws are considered archaic, forcing a society's values onto another is barbaric.

Morality is timeless and unequivocal...
Public caning for being homosexual is both barbaric and archaic...

Do you agree with caning homosexuals in public?

-Chris

a reply to: Christosterone

Just for the record, homosexuality is still illegal in at least 70 countries (HERE). That includes Hindu majority India & the Buddhist-majority countries Bhutan & Sri Lanka. It even includes many Christian-majority countries like Ethiopia, Kenya, Jamaica, Barbados, & Guyana. Even Singapore, the country with Buddhism and Christianity as it's 2 biggest religions, has anti-homosexuality laws.

Even countries like the US (HERE) & Russia still have anti-sodomy laws on the books. And remember, it was less than 2 years ago when the US finally got rid of its bans on gay marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges). And it was only 14 years ago when the Supreme Court invalidated anti-sodomy laws in 14 other States in the Lawrence v. Texas case. Yet some States like Kansas, Kentucky, and Texas still have laws targeting same sex relations (according to the 1st link in this paragraph).

The point I'm making is that countries all over the world still have a lot of work to do on LGBT rights. And as I showed, that includes Christian majority countries, Hindu majority India, and Buddhist majority countries too. Acting like this is only an Islamic issue is preposterous.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget Christian-majority Uganda. How can you ignore the "Kill the Gays" bill there? It was even promoted and pushed by the American pastor Scott Lively. So what was that you said about stopping with the Stone Age behavior for Christ's sake?

Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda's Anti-Gay Crackdown

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
My fiancee is from Indonesia. Ive been there with her many times. The thing to remember is that it is very different than here. What we consider appropriate or acceptable may not be there.

That goes without saying from culture to culture...but if you read the whole story, there was a whole lot of "inappropriate" behaviour occuring...and that doesn't even include the sex.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Wow, I am shocked to see you here defending the magic moon god and spewing your moral relativism re Islam.

Face it, the ethos you spend so much time defending is morally bereft...

-Chris

a reply to: enlightenedservant

How can you ignore the "Kill the Gays" bill there? It was even promoted and pushed by the American pastor Scott Lively. So what was that you said about stopping with the Stone Age behavior for Christ's sake? 

Don't forget about Pat Robertson funding them.
This whole punishing the homosexuals businesses makes no sense. Are they scared or what? Afraid of catching the gay?

originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Wow, I am shocked to see you here defending the magic moon god and spewing your moral relativism re Islam.

Face it, the ethos you spend so much time defending is morally bereft...

-Chris

You still lock people up in rape riddled cages for a plant.

But yeah, you alone split the atom, mate.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Exactly.

LGBT citizens have been oppressed all over the world. The fight for their rights is still ongoing, even in "developed" countries. And non-ironically, LGBT rights have been gained right here in the US in spite of the hardcore Christians here.

So I don't know what dude is thinking. He wants to take credit for the progressive LGBT rights movements in Western countries, knowing that the loudest Christian groups here are still opposing them. And he conveniently ignores the dozens of Christian-majority countries that still persecute LGBT people today.

a reply to: Christosterone

LOL So, what's your opinion on the Christian majority countries that also ban homosexuality right now? What was that about stopping with the Stone Age behavior for Christ's sake?

ETA: There's a great passage I once read. It goes a little something like this:

1. Judge not, that you be not judged.

2. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and twith the measure you use it will be measured to you.

3. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

4. Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?

5. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Now I wonder where I read that?

a reply to: TinySickTears

glad i dont live in a place like that.... must be terrible

I've lived in places like that.

It's pretty awful.