The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

a reply to: TrueBrit

Does punishing criminals create more criminals?

a reply to: Wayfarer

You miss the point, the majority are innocent but those that share this lunatic's belief are actually very great in number and how can we NOT be divided against them, the only recourse would be to sit back and let them murder us until it is too late.
They have to be stopped but the question is HOW without lowering ourselves to the level of these putrescent scumbag's.
Revenge attack's by misguided individual's would simply harm more innocent victim's and indeed give this scum the victory he want's by dividing society.

But there are recourse of action we can take, it is not politically correct in the current climate but we need independent observers in problem hot spot's such as known radical mosques and they need to feel the breath of the state on there neck as much as I hate a police state idea, they need to face more stringent punishment when they step out of line and face immediate deportation if they are of Non British birth AND there madrasa need to be closed forthwith with no further delay.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: TrueBrit

Does punishing criminals create more criminals?

Does threatening would be suicide bombers with violence or death work?

a reply to: Hecate666

Don't forget that they are invading Europe with extremism, they have their terrorist tentacles all over their cities and they are not there for a better way of life, but to kill, decimate, assassinate and conquer.

people needs to wake up and smell the agenda and stop crying rivers of crap.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: uncommitted

Spot on.

There is nothing quite so futile as trying to counter the ignorance, stupidity and cowardice of one group, with its mirror image. Nothing is ever achieved by this method, save for continuation of unacceptable circumstances for all.

Spoken like the Neville Chamberlain of our times.

Grow up for once. I know how much you hate Muslims, you've posted so plenty of times on ATS so I'm not saying that as an assumption. You just preach division as much as those you claim to hold to account for all the problems of this world.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: TrueBrit

Does punishing criminals create more criminals?

Does threatening would be suicide bombers with violence or death work?

Threats don't work.

Actually ending their existence does.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There is a significant difference between capturing and prosecuting a man for his crimes, and killing him and anything near him, simply because justice demands blood.

When Justice demands blood, it NEVER demands the blood of the innocent.

Islamic fundamentalism have not room in civilized societies, they need to purge and send them back from where they came from.

Plain and simple, and cry me a river of crap.

a reply to: DBCowboy

IF the problem is society and lack of social integration then YES, If there is money to be made by criminalizing people as in the US then YES but maybe not if the sole goal is actual justice.
But remember in the UK the police, man of the city are not there to keep you safe that is a sideline there role is actually to maintain the status quo and keep it in place, they are not public servant's as they are often touted but servants of the state with a little thing called a queen's writ or better known as a warrant card which essentially grant's them the powers of a court bailiff in pursuit of there duty's.
In America the police are private company's driven by profit motive and often working for the same corporation's that own or run the penitentiary's, they too no longer truly fulfill the purpose for which they were founded in many cases.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Stevemagegod

You are happily playing right into the terrorist plans. They want to make you angry at ALL Muslims so that you'll do equally heinous actions to innocent people (turning them into more terrorist). Jesus, its like you people have rocks for brains.

A voice of reason, let's make sure on this thread and others we try and drown out the voices of division and hate.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

No I will not take the gloves off because doing so would mean creating far more terrorists than we could ever bloody well kill, and I have been explaining this to people patiently for ten bloody years now, and no matter how often I have to repeat myself, it seems that people have an aversion or an allergy to this simple and absolutely irrefutable concept.

If we take the gloves off and flatten a nation which contains some terrorists, guess what happens? Every nation surrounding that one, will have people in it who lost relatives, and not just a few people, but MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. That is millions upon countless millions of people who will be justly outraged that their innocent cousin, who just baked the bread that everyone in his village ate, and his wife who raised their kids, and his kids who did not a single bit of harm to a single soul all their lives, were wiped out amongst a MYRIAD of innocent people caught up in war, all to take out, at best, a hundred thousand hardcore fanatics.

Because mark my words, the gloves coming off on THIS issue would be to simply bombard entire countries with nuclear weapons or MOABs, and let me tell you, those things are not going to be precise about who they kill. They will kill EVERYONE in a given area. Not the twisted ones, but EVERYONE, innocent or otherwise. Every time an innocent dies in war, ten more terrorists get born, because innocent people dying, creates orphans, widows, bereaved parents, inconsolable people, broken minds, PRIME for being preyed on and eventually fluffing the ranks of the very threat that people like you INSIST we do not do enough to combat on the ground.

And all the while you insist on more violence toward entire nations, based on the need to remove a statistically irrelevant portion of its population, AND despite having the absolute stupidity of that approach explained to you CONSTANTLY, you STILL opt for more war, more combat, more bombs, more violence, more orphans, more broken minds and ammunition for those who threaten peace. You literally could not epitomise pissing in the wind any better, if you were trying to put out a fire tornado with a damned garden hose.

No one is advocating nuking entire countries or wiping out entire countries.

I am sure that your 'statistically irrelevant' argument rings hollow to the murder victims and their families.

The solution lies within the Muslim community and the responsibility of our Govt is to force them to comply.
This means restrictions on travel and restrictions on immigration. It means monitoring. It means deportations. It means stopping the spread of hateful ideology through stricter laws and sentencing for those that preach their hate. Yes, It means Muslims have to deal with some unfair practices for a while. Tough. I wish it were easier, but it's gone too far.

In terms of foreign policy it means unifying to demonise and condemn this behaviour and close off any country not on board. It means a media on board to make sure radical islamic terrorism is demonised to the fullest extent, so anyone spouting that crap is treated like a leper.

Once again, a common theme with those who want to let these atrocities slide every time, you have no solution. If the solutions above are wrong, then come up with some others that really deal with this issue. All you are doing right now is painting an apocalyptic outcome to a set of extreme military actions which underpin a position of doing nothing more to stop this.

If you actually have a solution, goddammit, I want to hear it. If yours is better - applause. Right now, i am just absolutely sick of this situation.

EU has become the new spot for terrorist attack in modern times, thanks to invasion, pushed multiculturalism without checking whom they allow to enter their borders.

Very soon the UK citizens that have nothing to do with the invasion will be migrating somewhere else trying to get away from the violence that has been invited into their lands their homes and their surrounding by their own governments.

While they live in the safeland of the richistanis with full protections the rest of the nations are fair game.

originally posted by: marg6043
Islamic fundamentalism have not room in civilized societies, they need to purge and send them back from where they came from.

Plain and simple, and cry me a river of crap.

Exactly. Literally thousands of extremists could be rounded up tomorrow and jailed or deported.
It just takes the will to reject the political correctness that paralyses us, whilst we watch kids being blown up.

originally posted by: marg6043
EU has become the new spot for terrorist attack in modern times, thanks to invasion, pushed multiculturalism without checking whom they allow to enter their borders.

Very soon the UK citizens that have nothing to do with the invasion will be migrating somewhere else trying to get away from the violence that has been invited into their lands their homes and their surrounding by their own governments.

While they live in the safeland of the richistanis with full protections the rest of the nations are fair game.

That would be true if it wasn't for the fact nearly all Extremist attacks have been done by residents of the country, 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation.
Nothing to do with EU immigration laws.
French attacks carried out by French and Belgians, UK commited by UK.
There's been attacks in Germany by Germans and neighbouring countries.

To blame the EU for all that is wrong in the world is a cop out of epic proportions.


When 9/11 happened was that the EU's fault?

a reply to: UKTruth

But at what cost to the rest of us, civil liberty's and law need to be rewritten but making it a police state for ALL of us would be a serious mistake, ever had it with a jobsworth, I was security for many years and had to work with plonkers like that.
Closer observation and control yes, police state no.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: UKTruth

But at what cost to the rest of us, civil liberty's and law need to be rewritten but making it a police state for ALL of us would be a serious mistake, ever had it with a jobsworth, I was security for many years and had to work with plonkers like that.
Closer observation and control yes, police state no.

You don't need a police state to give police more power to monitor certain individuals and groups and to apply far stricter laws on immigration, deportation and sentencing. Profiling is needed. You should always focus effort on the areas where a problem exists.

Same with the media. They could do FAR more to demonise this behaviour and they would only be telling the truth.
I am afraid the time for being fair to all is over.

a reply to: Taggart

That is actually correct, there is a vein of many of these having traveled abroad first though, radicalization can and does occur at home and in part it is down to the earlier failure to implement true social integration which of course failed because these community's refused to integrate.
Instead they had it on a plate and society bent over backward to appease them instead, government pamphlets instead of forcing them to learn our language for example now appear in umpteen different languages at great cost to our taxpayers as well and indeed this fosters a feeling they don't have to integrate.
Immigrant's should have to attend state school's, later generation's should have permanent government inspector's ensuring they follow the state curriculum and that true British values are taught to them so that then can integrate into society with a shared set of common value's, it has all be said before, Enoch Powel regardless of what people may think of him was actually totally correct, sadly the extreme right use his word's for there own agenda, it is very sad when the truth is right of where we really want to be and that itself is a symptom of a very ill society.

a reply to: UKTruth

The political correctness is the tool that those behind the agendas of terrorizing migrated countries use to keep the citizens under a tide grip when it comes to what is been done to them.

Using terms like islamophobia, racism, prejudice and others terms are used liberal to squash opposition.

Meanwhile the terrorist are making sure that the terrorist been issued within the mass migration are well weaponized to force and keep the sanctuary cities from getting any influences that will change the populations believes, stop assimilation so it be easier to recruit, brainwash and train future terrorist as they are born within the protecting of the countries they invade.

a reply to: UKTruth

These people are cowards. They are killers and cowards that lack even the basic shreds of humanity.

They should be looked upon with only disgust.

a reply to: Taggart

That only shows that the plan that started 1,2,3 generations ago is working and on schedule.

Time is the terrorist side, now they have all they need, born in the migrated countries, with power to change government, established sanctuary cities and creating their own countries within other countries.

What a way to break established societies.

The worst danger to civilized society, living in fear is not living at all.