The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

1. Brexit happened for a reason.
   

Uhhhh....Then why did this still happen?

The Lefts Policies have failed.

Apparently the RIGHT's policies have failed?????

The Judges Blocking Trumps Travel Ban need to take a good long hard look in the mirror.

The suspect in Manchester was BORN IN MANCHESTER in 1994 and was British Citizen..

How does a travel ban or Brexit fix that??

Apart from false reasoning...Your headline is DISGUSTING...exploiting the blood of children for sick political purposes.

edit on 23-5-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

a reply to: UKTruth

How much you wanna bet he had connections and friends in a local mosque?

Internet plays a part. As do surroundings. When it comes to homegrown terror, the mosques are an enormous problem.

a reply to: UKTruth

Radical islam = terrorism.

So does Radical nationalism.

If ATS was around in the 1980's thats everything that we would have been talking about national terrorists, in twenty years time it could be the environmental terrorists or the cyber terrorists.

originally posted by: [post=22266385]UKTruth

A full ban on Muslims entering the country is both sensible and necessary, let alone the watered down version President Trump has had to compromise on.

?????

Did you mean rounding up British Born Citizens who follow the Islamic Faith? Camps? Interment? Where do you deport British Born Citizens to?

Otherwise WTF are you talking about?

Suspect born in Manchester...

a reply to: Stevemagegod

That is always my question about such things. Why are the so called "peaceful muslims" doing nothing to show their disgrace with these acts, standing up and stating how acts of terrorism is evil. The reason is, as I have met many Muslims. They tell you they care for every single human, that if you kill one human you kill and entire population. They also tell you in the same breath that if you do not follow the faith that when the time comes you will burn and you are the enemy of them. War.

So what in earth are these liars talking about. They are against it or they are with them, so far it seems they are with them SECRETLY.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

1. Brexit happened for a reason.
   

Uhhhh....Then why did this still happen?

The Lefts Policies have failed.

Apparently the RIGHT's policies have failed?????

The Judges Blocking Trumps Travel Ban need to take a good long hard look in the mirror.

The suspect in Manchester was BORN IN MANCHESTER in 1994 and was British Citizen..

How does a travel ban or Brexit fix that??

Apart from false reasoning...Your headline is DISGUSTING...exploiting the blood of children for sick political purposes.

Something obviously got to you about that title. Whilst provocative there is a grain of truth to it. Whilst not entirely an issue on the left, it is overwhelmingly the left that down play the very significant issue of radical islamic terror and try to block any solution to minimise risk.

I've noted an onslaught of leftists raising the homegrown talking point today, which completely misses the point. Immigration reform will not eliminate terrorism, but it will help stop the problem getting worse and it will contribute to reducing the risk of radicals entering the country and poisoning the minds of our youth.

Far more is needed, but boiling the issue down to 'it was homegrown so immigration is not the issue' is either disingenuous or plain dumb.

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: Stevemagegod

That is always my question about such things. Why are the so called "peaceful muslims" doing nothing to show their disgrace with these acts, standing up and stating how acts of terrorism is evil. The reason is, as I have met many Muslims. They tell you they care for every single human, that if you kill one human you kill and entire population. They also tell you in the same breath that if you do not follow the faith that when the time comes you will burn and you are the enemy of them. War.

So what in earth are these liars talking about. They are against it or they are with them, so far it seems they are with them SECRETLY.

I have certainly not heard enough from their community leaders today.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: [post=22266385]UKTruth

A full ban on Muslims entering the country is both sensible and necessary, let alone the watered down version President Trump has had to compromise on.

?????

Did you mean rounding up British Born Citizens who follow the Islamic Faith? Camps? Interment? Where do you deport British Born Citizens to?

Otherwise WTF are you talking about?

Suspect born in Manchester...

Your point is a nonsense liberal talking point.
The issue is radical islamic terror and it is not isolated to home grown terrorists deciding one day to blow kids up.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: UKTruth

Radical islam = terrorism.

So does Radical nationalism.

If ATS was around in the 1980's thats everything that we would have been talking about national terrorists, in twenty years time it could be the environmental terrorists or the cyber terrorists.

It's 2017.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

no his parents are thought to be from Libya, he was born and raised in the UK, which makes him a UK citizen if i'm not mistaken.

Abedi was born in Manchester on New Year's Eve 1994 to a family believed to be of Libyan origin. It is thought he has at least three siblings - an elder brother who was born in London, and a younger brother and sister who were born in Manchester. Manchester is home to one of the largest Libyan communities in the UK and neighbours have talked about the family having a Libyan flag flying in its house at certain times of the year. Abedi's family lived at more than one address in the city, including a property at Elsmore Road in the Fallowfield area that was raided by police. Officers also carried out a search of a property in Whalley Range.
Manchester attack: Who was the suspect Salman Abedi?

born and raised in the UK, a local, a home grown terrorist. see i told ya.
so your still a fool for blaming lefties.

the open border stuff didn't start in 94.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

In the last 3 terrorist attacks in the UK, all of those who committed the attacks where British born, but the right still want to hijack this and pretend its a immigration issue.

it makes no sense.

EDIT:

I just double checked, 3 out of the 4 bombers responsible for the 7/7 attacks were also British born, the other guy, he was born in Jamaica.... hardly a hot bed of Islamic terrorism.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: UKTruth

How much you wanna bet he had connections and friends in a local mosque?

Internet plays a part. As do surroundings. When it comes to homegrown terror, the mosques are an enormous problem.

The point is that the issue is radical islamic terror. the home grown variety is one element of the cancer that infests the Muslim world. I've no doubt that this guy was radicalised by a combination of things - wars, online doctrine, associates both British citizens and not, etc. There will a combination of factors which led this POS to do this.

Their are some that want to minimise the real issue of islamic terrorism by labouring on birth certificates and country of birth and use it to diminish all other protections relating to immigration as if there is no threat at all from outside our borders. I say tell that to the people of France who lost loved ones in the Bataclan.

We had plenty of wake up calls from 2015 to now. The terrorist had Libian heritage, his parents ran from war back in the early 90s, he was born in the UK, making him a british citizen, it means the enemy is within. The mosques need to do more to tackle this issue, they are implicated in radicalizing muslims, those imams who are radicals need to lose their citizenship and GTFO of the country they are preaching, even if they are natural born there, we can't start accepting terrorism as normal, and the politicians who say such a thing should be impeached imediately.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

i lean right on most issuses, and i believe in control of immigration. i don't believe in blaming someone for something they didn't do, and think the time to do it if you do is after not during.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

In the last 3 terrorist attacks in the UK, all of those who committed the attacks where British born, but the right still want to hijack this and pretend its a immigration issue.

it makes no sense.

Like i said - are you waiting for a recent immigrant to blow up kids? Is that what it will take to make you realise there is an issue that needs to be faced. Are you suggesting that there is no threat that radical islamists will enter this country via immigration? Are you prepared to risk people's lives for the sake of railing against tighter controls on our own borders? Do you not believe ISIS when they tell us they will be sending their fighters disguised as refugees? Do you not understand that they already have in the case of France, with hundreds of families mourning the loss of their dead?

What makes absolutely no sense is to ignore the very real threat and pretend that the risk comes exclusively from existing citizens born here - whilst ignoring the outside influence that led them to their action in the first place.

Unless they are YOUR kids....them make that statement....a reply to: olaru12

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

So how would you have prevented a natural born citizen from committing this act?

a reply to: UKTruth

are you waiting for a recent immigrant to blow up kids?

No.

Are you suggesting that there is no threat that radical islamists will enter this country via immigration?

No only that its not really happen yet in any spectacular way, the guys behind the Glasgow Airport attack they were from the ME. but the truth cannot be denied most Islamic terrorists who attack the UK are born in the UK.

You cannot just stop all immigration because less than a handful have committed terrorist attacks.

Germain Lynsey was from Jamaica, should we just have stopped all immigrants form Jamaica ??

Yes some of them are going to be sympathetic towards terrorists, some of them might even just want to get a refugee status so they can attack the UK, some of them like abu-hamza try to encourage terrorism so it is part of the problem. but a all out ban on immigration will not stop these attacks.

Are you prepared to risk people's lives for the sake of railing against tighter controls on our own borders?

I am all for tighter controls, every effort that is possible should be made to make sure those entering the UK are not terrorists.

Question though, how would tighter immigration controls have prevented the attack last night, the Westminster attack or the murder of lee rigby?.... the answer is that it wouldn't.

Do you not understand that they already have in the case of France, with hundreds of families mourning the loss of their dead?

Dude really even in France many of the attackers are French born, the Charlie hebdo attackers, guess what? born in france.

Honestly i dont think you have enough of a understanding of this issue to debate it.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: [post=22266385]UKTruth

A full ban on Muslims entering the country is both sensible and necessary, let alone the watered down version President Trump has had to compromise on.

?????

Did you mean rounding up British Born Citizens who follow the Islamic Faith? Camps? Interment? Where do you deport British Born Citizens to?

Otherwise WTF are you talking about?

Suspect born in Manchester...

Your point is a nonsense liberal talking point.
The issue is radical islamic terror

He has been a BRITISH CITIZEN much longer than he has followed Islam..

Maybe it is being British Born that made him a terrorist?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

So how would you have prevented a natural born citizen from committing this act?

Internment camps for brown citizens?

Or create a national religion and arrest non-followers?

just spit-balling here...