The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Nonsense, one dimensional thinking.
Homegrown terrorists are still radical islamic terrorists. Bottom of the list of solutions would be letting more into the country to further radicalise the Muslim population.

Except they are radicalized online. Which is something you would know if you weren't dismissing nuance as a "red herring".

Already covered above. Like I said, letting in more radicals disguised as refugees is counter to any strategy to reduce the risk of radicalisation. The online threat does not negate the direct threat of recruitment by extremists entering the country.
As for 'nuance', you don't demonstrate any. You post irrelevant studies about 'home grown' radical islamic terrorists as if that negates the problem of more entering the country. It's a media talking point that you are parroting.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes and "radical Islamic Terrorism" cannot be battled with blanket attacks. You just end up hurting innocents who turn around and become radicalized. That is why nuance is important.

originally posted by: Damiel
a reply to: introvert

Totally agree.

It may be the 'Mud Pit', but ...

Given the context, and the replies provided by the respondants
all paints a pretty nasty picture of your 'typical' ATS user

No decorum, no thought, just uneducated diatribe

Didn't ATS once have a moto, of sorts ?

How to deny ignorance if ...
the average, ignorant poster
(that would be you stevemagode, mr easily triggered)
is being aided and abetted by a bunch as ignorant gibbons

Al in all , it's not a good advert for ATS

So i guess you have a problem with the Islamic Community Driving out the Mass Murderers?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Nonsense, one dimensional thinking.
Homegrown terrorists are still radical islamic terrorists. Bottom of the list of solutions would be letting more into the country to further radicalise the Muslim population.

Except they are radicalized online. Which is something you would know if you weren't dismissing nuance as a "red herring".

Already covered above. Like I said, letting in more radicals disguised as refugees is counter to any strategy to reduce the risk of radicalisation. The online threat does not negate the direct threat of recruitment by extremists entering the country.

Yet there is no proof this is happening outside of your head.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Never let the death of little kids go without gaining a little partisan capital.

That awkward moment when you realize there hasn't been any major terror attacks in America since Trump's Policies have taken effect.

That awkward moment when you realize that trump has been in office for 5 months, and people really think because of his policies that he stopped terror attacks.That really awkward moment when you realize that people are just really lost...to a point of absolutely no return.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Nonsense, one dimensional thinking.
Homegrown terrorists are still radical islamic terrorists. Bottom of the list of solutions would be letting more into the country to further radicalise the Muslim population.

Except they are radicalized online. Which is something you would know if you weren't dismissing nuance as a "red herring".

Already covered above. Like I said, letting in more radicals disguised as refugees is counter to any strategy to reduce the risk of radicalisation. The online threat does not negate the direct threat of recruitment by extremists entering the country.

Yet there is no proof this is happening outside of your head.

Common sense should prevail when lives are at risk. You seem happy to play Russian roulette with innocent lives to satisfy your sense of moral superiority, happy to assume that all incoming immigrants and refugees are nice and safe when we know damn well that so called refugees have already taken part in the murder of hundreds in France. What are you waiting for, dead kids before you want action? Is an 8 year old kid blown to pieces the 'proof' you seek?

In Manchester, there is not a chance in hell that that POS acted alone, made the bomb himself and planned the whole thing. He had help and I doubt very much it was all online.

A full ban on Muslims entering the country is both sensible and necessary, let alone the watered down version President Trump has had to compromise on.

originally posted by: headorheart
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Trump has been in office for just over 100 days. Many times has America gone without a major terror attack within that time period.

LoL, it's funny how these people think, absolutely hilarious.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Oh FFS....

Does your partisan BS ever end?

Jesus...

Please don't end this stuff, it's too funny how these people think..come to think about it, it's really embarrassing.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Thank goodness he doesn't take any counsel from you. The arrogance of some of you people with statements like 'he doesn't understand it in the slightest'. The man gets intelligence briefings and knows a hell of a lot more than you about the threats. He's out right now trying to bring people together to solve the issue. Do you even read what you write before hitting 'reply' or is it just that you can't resist the emotional reaction to Trump. Get a grip.

originally posted by: Xarian6
A truly deplorable thread.

Is this really how 'the right' thinks.. ?? seriously ??
Just can't wait to use the death of innocents to your advantage to win some points on a forum..

I'm lost for words.

Thats what they do and then try to play the victim, these people are really sad , no morals no integrity no respect for the dead or children, just deplorable.

Textpoints on a forum.

For stars and such..sad and fracking disgraceful
The op couldn't even say rest in peace I'm sorry for the lost, just, Hey! Here some news that I can make a thread to, so I can get my little brownie points on a forum and some virtual stars to go with it..deplorable.

a reply to: gortex

The facts bear out the claim , is America so different that it won't be effected the same way ?
Angry young men do stupid things.

Angry Islamists do more stupid things then most stupid men.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Actually it is very prudent to halt immigration from failed Islamic states, most of whom do not have the infrastructure to control their own crime, and one of which is the biggest sponsor of state terror in the world, in order to determine what is really going on.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Actually it is very prudent to halt immigration from failed Islamic states, most of whom do not have the infrastructure to control their own crime, and one of which is the biggest sponsor of state terror in the world, in order to determine what is really going on.

You would think so, but apparently proof of death is required first.
Presumably those that require proof of death want it to be someone else's family.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The Original Post is about a natural born citizen of the U.K. who perpetrated a terrorist attack which the Original Poster feels that if Trump's 'polices' (vague as the OP's comments were) could have prevented. You following along now?

Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

Tht's not the issue.
(and once again, i can accept that this is the Mud Pit, just to be clear)

The issue has more to do with the title :
The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

Okay, it's worded as click bait
it's designed to spark a reaction

maybe you've a friend, cousin ... you're looking for anything onliiine

Ok, fine, we're on the interwebs and speech is (still) free

but maybe, just maybe, one day (i won't hold my beath too much)
Some whatever, far off/close to home attrocity will occur

And you, Stevemagode,
will be - probably - the first up with
the same reasoning, same ideas, same whatever ...

But that's ok, y'know !

But the thing is ...
the underlying theme, right now, on this thread
is pretty despicable

Really.

Don't take it 'perso', though, stevemagode,
it could be anyone, on any forum, anytomorrow !

You're not alone,
noooohn


You won't be solely responsable for a certain kind of...
decline, in, moral standards ondawebs i guess



And that's my general kind of rant on the subject

but really, guys, try and *>think

a reply to: Damiel

The issue has more to do with the title : The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

Okay, it's worded as click bait it's designed to spark a reaction

My thread title is designed to spark a debate, about the way the Left has been treating Trump's very constitutional Executive Orders designed to keep America safe.

But the thing is ... the underlying theme, right now, on this thread is pretty despicable

So your upset that the theme of the thread is discussing Mass Murder? I'm sorry but this is the Mud Pit and Cold Hard Logic Hurts.

You won't be solely responsable for a certain kind of... decline, in, moral standards ondawebs i guess

Political Correctness is responsible for the decline of Moral Standards.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The Original Post is about a natural born citizen of the U.K. who perpetrated a terrorist attack which the Original Poster feels that if Trump's 'polices' (vague as the OP's comments were) could have prevented. You following along now?

Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

DUDE NO!

One of the guys who murdered Lee Rigby was uk born to Christian parents.

The guy who recently attacked Westminster, he was a Muslim convert also UK born with uk heritage

You cannot pretend that immigration is the problem when we tens of thousands of immigrants in this country and only a handful of them have actually committed terrorist attacks and we have had just as many, if not more, attackers who are British born.

Its a right wing myth that immigrations = terrorism.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The Original Post is about a natural born citizen of the U.K. who perpetrated a terrorist attack which the Original Poster feels that if Trump's 'polices' (vague as the OP's comments were) could have prevented. You following along now?

Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

DUDE NO!

One of the guys who murdered Lee Rigby was uk born to Christian parents.

The guy who recently attacked Westminster, he was a Muslim convert also UK born with uk heritage

You cannot pretend that immigration is the problem when we tens of thousands of immigrants in this country and only a handful of them have actually committed terrorist attacks and we have had just as many, if not more, attackers who are British born.

Its a right wing myth that immigrations = terrorism.

No, Islam is the problem, so it makes no sense to continue importing members of that religion. It's not rocket science.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

My thread title is designed to spark a debate, about the way the Left has been treating Trump's very constitutional Executive Orders designed to keep America safe.

No it's not. It's designed to blame the left for terrorism by making a false and misleading statement. You're also using the UK as your example which has nothing to do with Trumps Executive Order or keeping America Safe. This wasn't in America.

It's obvious what you're doing. The least you could do is admit it. You're just piling on more lies on top of your propaganda.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The Original Post is about a natural born citizen of the U.K. who perpetrated a terrorist attack which the Original Poster feels that if Trump's 'polices' (vague as the OP's comments were) could have prevented. You following along now?

Apparently he is of Libyan decent. But let's let them in anyway. Besides, it's only the second-generation committing acts of mass terror and murder. We'll just let our children deal with our mistakes.

DUDE NO!

One of the guys who murdered Lee Rigby was uk born to Christian parents.

The guy who recently attacked Westminster, he was a Muslim convert also UK born with uk heritage

You cannot pretend that immigration is the problem when we tens of thousands of immigrants in this country and only a handful of them have actually committed terrorist attacks and we have had just as many, if not more, attackers who are British born.

Its a right wing myth that immigrations = terrorism.

No one is claiming that immigration = terrorism.
Radical islam = terrorism.

Immigration is part of the issue - obviously the ability to ensure no more radicals get into the country must be a key priority and if that takes immigration reform and significantly greater hurdles for muslims to enter the UK, then so be it.

The argument that because we have radical islamists that are born here, we shouldn't stop more coming in is a complete nonsense.