The Left kills children by letting Terrorists in the UK Terror Attack should be a Wake Up Call

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Trump is actively trying to protect America by implementing the Travel Bans.

How does a travel ban prevent a natural born citizen from perpetrating an action similar to Manchester?

a reply to: Stevemagegod

If or when there's an attack in your country it will probably come from within as we're seeing in Europe , what use the travel ban ?
The travel ban was more about Trump pandering to his supporters pre-election than stopping bad guys attacking your country.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Trump is actively trying to protect America by implementing the Travel Bans.

How does a travel ban prevent a natural born citizen from perpetrating an action similar to Manchester?

It doesn't. It stops foreign elements from perpetrating those actions, obviously.

a reply to: gortex

Yeah it's not like we haven't known about this for a while or anything.
The real terror threat in America is homegrown

The mass killing in Orlando this weekend fits a grim pattern: Every lethal terrorist attack in the United States in the past decade and a half has been carried out by American citizens or legal permanent residents, operating either as lone wolves or in pairs, who have no formal connections or training from terrorist organizations such as al Qaeda or ISIS.
Because 9/11 was carried out by 19 Arab foreign-born terrorists, many Americans may think that terrorist attacks in the United States are carried out by foreigners, rather than by U.S. citizens.

Though I'm sure the OP will tell us this is fake news because it is from CNN.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It doesn't. It stops foreign elements from perpetrating those actions, obviously.

Maybe you can explain that to the Original Poster who appears to be somewhat confused about this fact. I'm sure he would appreciate it if you also used smaller words.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Stevemagegod

If or when there's an attack in your country it will probably come from within as we're seeing in Europe , what use the travel ban ?
The travel ban was more about Trump pandering to his supporters pre-election than stopping bad guys attacking your country.

Nonsense. Most countries under the travel ban are failed states with no databases of travellers or criminals.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It doesn't. It stops foreign elements from perpetrating those actions, obviously.

Maybe you can explain that to the Original Poster who appears to be somewhat confused about this fact. I'm sure he would appreciate it if you also used smaller words.

From what you quoted, it appears it was you and not the OP that brought up natural born citizens.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: gortex

Yeah it's not like we haven't known about this for a while or anything.
The real terror threat in America is homegrown

The mass killing in Orlando this weekend fits a grim pattern: Every lethal terrorist attack in the United States in the past decade and a half has been carried out by American citizens or legal permanent residents, operating either as lone wolves or in pairs, who have no formal connections or training from terrorist organizations such as al Qaeda or ISIS.
Because 9/11 was carried out by 19 Arab foreign-born terrorists, many Americans may think that terrorist attacks in the United States are carried out by foreigners, rather than by U.S. citizens.

Though I'm sure the OP will tell us this is fake news because it is from CNN.

This is another red herring being pushed by the media.

It does not matter that terrorists are 'home grown'. They are being radicalised by religious extremists and bringing more extremists into the country and allowing hate to be spewed online is only going to make the situation worse.

Halt immigration and erase the hatred online. Crack down on the extremism in every way possible and reduce the chances of radicalisation grabbing hold of young kids, and of course jail anyone who leaves the country to fight for ISIS or spreads the hateful ideology.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The facts bear out the claim , is America so different that it won't be effected the same way ?
Angry young men do stupid things.

a reply to: Stevemagegod
your post is literally unbelievable
how dare you use the deaths in Manchester to further your own agenda( which I'm going to assume is some sort of far right of coherent)
you obviously are unaware that it is the Conservative party who has been in power for the last few years in the UK,
they are not, by anyones definition, lefties
I'm also astonished that anyone can think that Trump and Brexit are anything other than the dumbing down of society
thanks to a hopelessly biased media
I would like to end this rant with a plea for everyone to remember the dead and injured from this atrocius crime against the people of Manchester and the UK

a reply to: UKTruth

Well it matters to the people who care about nuance so we can target just the rabble rousers and not the innocents. That is unless you think ALL Muslims are guilty to some degree, but that is anti-freedom and a violation of freedom of religion so that opinion is irrelevant anyways.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Nonsense, one dimensional thinking.
Homegrown terrorists are still radical islamic terrorists. Bottom of the list of solutions would be letting more into the country to further radicalise the Muslim population.

a reply to: introvert

Totally agree.

It may be the 'Mud Pit', but ...

Given the context, and the replies provided by the respondants
all paints a pretty nasty picture of your 'typical' ATS user

No decorum, no thought, just uneducated diatribe

Didn't ATS once have a moto, of sorts ?

How to deny ignorance if ...
the average, ignorant poster
(that would be you stevemagode, mr easily triggered)
is being aided and abetted by a bunch as ignorant gibbons

Al in all , it's not a good advert for ATS

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What's nonsense is that terrorists come from those countries to attack the west. The travel ban is just a distraction to make you THINK Trump is tackling the terrorism thing when in reality he doesn't understand it in the slightest.

Nonsense, one dimensional thinking.
Homegrown terrorists are still radical islamic terrorists. Bottom of the list of solutions would be letting more into the country to further radicalise the Muslim population.

Except they are radicalized online. Which is something you would know if you weren't dismissing nuance as a "red herring".

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

No I will not take the gloves off because doing so would mean creating far more terrorists than we could ever bloody well kill, and I have been explaining this to people patiently for ten bloody years now, and no matter how often I have to repeat myself, it seems that people have an aversion or an allergy to this simple and absolutely irrefutable concept.

If we take the gloves off and flatten a nation which contains some terrorists, guess what happens? Every nation surrounding that one, will have people in it who lost relatives, and not just a few people, but MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. That is millions upon countless millions of people who will be justly outraged that their innocent cousin, who just baked the bread that everyone in his village ate, and his wife who raised their kids, and his kids who did not a single bit of harm to a single soul all their lives, were wiped out amongst a MYRIAD of innocent people caught up in war, all to take out, at best, a hundred thousand hardcore fanatics.

Because mark my words, the gloves coming off on THIS issue would be to simply bombard entire countries with nuclear weapons or MOABs, and let me tell you, those things are not going to be precise about who they kill. They will kill EVERYONE in a given area. Not the twisted ones, but EVERYONE, innocent or otherwise. Every time an innocent dies in war, ten more terrorists get born, because innocent people dying, creates orphans, widows, bereaved parents, inconsolable people, broken minds, PRIME for being preyed on and eventually fluffing the ranks of the very threat that people like you INSIST we do not do enough to combat on the ground.

And all the while you insist on more violence toward entire nations, based on the need to remove a statistically irrelevant portion of its population, AND despite having the absolute stupidity of that approach explained to you CONSTANTLY, you STILL opt for more war, more combat, more bombs, more violence, more orphans, more broken minds and ammunition for those who threaten peace. You literally could not epitomise pissing in the wind any better, if you were trying to put out a fire tornado with a damned garden hose.

No one is advocating nuking entire countries or wiping out entire countries.

I am sure that your 'statistically irrelevant' argument rings hollow to the murder victims and their families.

The solution lies within the Muslim community and the responsibility of our Govt is to force them to comply.
This means restrictions on travel and restrictions on immigration. It means monitoring. It means deportations. It means stopping the spread of hateful ideology through stricter laws and sentencing for those that preach their hate. Yes, It means Muslims have to deal with some unfair practices for a while. Tough. I wish it were easier, but it's gone too far.

In terms of foreign policy it means unifying to demonise and condemn this behaviour and close off any country not on board. It means a media on board to make sure radical islamic terrorism is demonised to the fullest extent, so anyone spouting that crap is treated like a leper.

Once again, a common theme with those who want to let these atrocities slide every time, you have no solution. If the solutions above are wrong, then come up with some others that really deal with this issue. All you are doing right now is painting an apocalyptic outcome to a set of extreme military actions which underpin a position of doing nothing more to stop this.

If you actually have a solution, goddammit, I want to hear it. If yours is better - applause. Right now, i am just absolutely sick of this situation.

Spot On. FDR actively rounded up American born Japs and Germans in America during WW2 in Concentration Camps to prevent the same Kamikaze Attacks we are seeing on a Monthly Basis in Europe and America(before Trump). And he was a Democrat. Can you imagine if a Republican President did the same thing to all American Born Muslims? It wasn't a easy decision to make but FDR successfully protected America from internal War Fare and Sabotage of the War Effort. The Japs and Germans that were rounded up who survived were paid by the Government. And look at our relationship now.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: UKTruth

Well it matters to the people who care about nuance so we can target just the rabble rousers and not the innocents. That is unless you think ALL Muslims are guilty to some degree, but that is anti-freedom and a violation of freedom of religion so that opinion is irrelevant anyways.

The 'target' is radical islamic terrorism.
You know, it has not gone unnoticed that the people who always complain about targeting Muslims are the first to conflate radical islamic terrorism with all Muslims.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Trump is actively trying to protect America by implementing the Travel Bans.

How does a travel ban prevent a natural born citizen from perpetrating an action similar to Manchester?

It doesn't. It stops foreign elements from perpetrating those actions, obviously.

Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi Arabian citizens.

Saudi Arabia was also excluded from the travel ban.

Of the 28 redacted 9/11 pages, we know that Saudi intelligence were complicit in the attacks and allowing the hijackers entry to the country and allowed flying classes without drawing suspicion.

"Anti-establishment."

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Trump is actively trying to protect America by implementing the Travel Bans.

How does a travel ban prevent a natural born citizen from perpetrating an action similar to Manchester?

It doesn't. It stops foreign elements from perpetrating those actions, obviously.

How exactly is Trump implementing his travel ban? By cutting DHS funds and airport security monies? To fund a BS wall..... that should work.

www.washingtonpost.com... /ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.1702716d081b

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
From what you quoted, it appears it was you and not the OP that brought up natural born citizens.

The Original Post is about a natural born citizen of the U.K. who perpetrated a terrorist attack which the Original Poster feels that if Trump's 'polices' (vague as the OP's comments were) could have prevented. You following along now?