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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Sheye
The majority of the cabbies were in fact Sikh
They are one often one of the first groups to offer support and help in any disaster
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: mersaultdies
a reply to: kerrichin
a reply to: ARM1968
a reply to: UKTruth
I will post this again as I think it is important for people to understand.
We could all quote passages from the Quran. Pick and choose those that support your point of view.
There is no mileage for Muslims to admit the real truth. That is counter productive. Do you deny Mohammed taught subversion? Do you deny he had sexual relations with a 7 year old? Do you deny the teachings that those of other religions are inferior and to be converted or destroyed?
I have lived with a growing population of these people and they are NOT interested in our culture or of being a part of our world. As their confidence and numbers grow so does their outspokenness and bigotry.
Let's all draw a cartoon of Mohammed and see how that pans out. Funnily enough you can make fun of Jesus and no one bats an eyelid. Why?
Jihad - Often described as Holy war however the actual meaning is simply to struggle and can be used for a lot of different areas.
Suicide - Quran forbids suicide / suicide bombers - verses 21: 107, 34: 28, 17: 105, and 25: 56
Murder - Murder of a person, which all are created by God, is forbidden - Qur’an 6:151. The ten commandments are actually distorted on this topic as its often said "Thou shall not kill". The correct translation is "Thou shall not murder". All religions / their texts make killing in some circumstances acceptable.
Conversion to Islam - The Quran forbids forced conversion of non Muslims to Muslim - The Cow, 2:256. Conversion must be voluntary. Anything less is forbidden.
Warfare - The Quran forbids aggressive warfare. If the enemy desires peace then so shall Muslims. If the enemy attacks Muslims then Muslims may respond but Islam can never be the aggressor - The Cow,” 2:190, 8:61
Killing non combatants / civilians - Forbidden.
The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
Terrorism (hirabah) - Forbidden by Islamic law / Quran - Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34 -
brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power.
Justice -
The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
Christians / Jews -
The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
Just touching on a few points.
The issue revolves around religious leaders issuing their own interpretations of Islam to suit their agenda. They twist what supports their lies and ignore the parts they cant twist.
Riddle me this -
If you want power, control and not be questioned and you have to kill anyone who doesnt agree with you how would you go about doing it?
Would you -
A - Be honest and let everyone know who doesnt agree with you that they will be killed just so you can keep power / control etc?
or
B - Find a way to hide that goal behind something that can be used to justify your goal while fooling the people who are following you. Say using a religion, distorting parts to justify your agenda while ignoring the parts that dont all the while claiming God favors your undertaking.
There is just as much stupidity in the Jewish and Christian religions as there are in the Muslim religion.
As an example Westborrow Baptist lunatics.
More examples -
ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity
Neither of which represent the religion they claim to be a part of and the religious texts in question dont support the actions / agendas of either terrorist group.
The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power.
The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity
originally posted by: Sheye
Has anyone mentioned the missing 8 ? Were the muslim cab drivers offering free rides home that well intentioned ?
originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
This is out of context .
originally posted by: ARM1968
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: ARM1968
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
This is out of context .
Then put it in context for us. That would be helpful.