Loud Bangs heard in Manchester UK

originally posted by: kerrichin
anything on the woman this morning who was interviewed on skynews.
she said she was near a woman who was acting weird and jumpy, and then disappeared before the bomb went off

I saw that....not heard anything more on that, however when Sky News re-ran that clip this evening of her talking about that, they totally cut out the part where she talked about the aggitated woman with the bag. Found that quite weird.

If that incident did actualy happen, firstly it will be on camera (especially as she reckons both herself and her daughter spoke to security about the shifty looking woman..and secondly i'd imagine the security services would be talking to her very quickly.

CX.

a reply to: Grambler

Did I say anything of the sort ?

Nice knee jerk reaction and twisting of the message though, bet you think you're smart with your convoluted sarcasm that only enforces my point that most humans are f*cking sh!t and incapable of logical thought.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Nyiah

Sticking a pipe bomb in a locker and creating a vest to wear and detonate are two totally different things. Yes, if you want, you can create pipe bombs but it is the delivery mechanism that counts.

This was a suicide bombing which to me cranks it up a notch. You can leave a package...or a backpack....or throw a pipe bomb but deciding to strap explosives to yourself to give yourself up for your god is, well, a different ballgame all together.

Ok, look. I didn't say he wasn't wearing anything. I think you & others are thinking in rigid implementation absolutes while I'm not. Tailoring a bomb's materials to fit a design is nothing new & earth-shattering, either. It's still called improvising. A shrapnel vest or belt can be made from the same materials as a pipe bomb and do similar damage or better with the same things.
I was illustrating a point in that it's totally not impossible for someone to make a bomb on their own, given the opportunity & materials. No walking pile of garbage needs to take a special trip to Kaboom University in the caves anymore, the internet alone has plenty of avenues for learning this s# these days. Thinking otherwise is kind of delusional at best, IMO.

originally posted by: CX

originally posted by: kerrichin
anything on the woman this morning who was interviewed on skynews.
she said she was near a woman who was acting weird and jumpy, and then disappeared before the bomb went off

I saw that....not heard anything more on that, however when Sky News re-ran that clip this evening of her talking about that, they totally cut out the part where she talked about the aggitated woman with the bag. Found that quite weird.

If that incident did actualy happen, firstly it will be on camera (especially as she reckons both herself and her daughter spoke to security about the shifty looking woman..and secondly i'd imagine the security services would be talking to her very quickly.

CX.[/qlike you said its been completely omitted, does make me wonder, i did wonder perhaps this mystery woman with a bag was an accomplice, especially as the police are begging people for dash cam videos fro the time around the bombing

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Grambler

Did I say anything of the sort ?

Nice knee jerk reaction and twisting of the message though, bet you think you're smart with your convoluted sarcasm that only enforces my point that most humans are f*cking sh!t and incapable of logical thought.

Then whats your point?

Do you admit that in the current world radical islamic terrorism is relevant to discuss and combat?

Or are you going to criticize people for addressing the problem with your high and mighty proclamations about how most humans are, well I won't use your high moral language, so lets just say, not good.

a reply to: kerrichin

Agreed.

I always keep an open mind when it comes to people acting fidgety and aggitated, i know plenty of people with autism who act like this, especially in crowded surroundings....however no-one is going to mind them being taken to the side if the worry was severe enough. Even if just to make sure they are ok.

CX.

It seems to me that if terrorists are ignoring an important concept of faith in all three religions which all accept the 10 Commandments. That shalt not kill.

Whatever you dedicate yourself to is rewarded after this life. If you affirm life, then you are rewarded for that affirmation.
If you affirm death, then you owe a debt to a Higher Power for violating His right to revenge and Divine Right that reserves unto Him and only Him to take a human life, except in self-defense. Killing teenagers at a concert is not self-defense.

And that debt will be hard to bear, if it is ever excused in the eternities.

Here you go.....full description of the incident with the woman she thought suspicious enough to report.

Mother blasts lax security at Manchester Arena before bomb that killed 22 Read more: metro.co.uk...

Edit to add: The full details are in the written article there, they appear to cut the video short after she says they informed security.

CX.

Peeps need to recognize the truth. Islam is trying to take over Christianity. All this get along, kumbaya, safe space, poor me crap has Islamists licking their chops as it screams weakness. Just remember that the pendulum never stops, and if it is allowed to keep on swinging, then your grand kids will be ruled by this dark age "religion". The West has no use for Islam and it should be treated like a cult. I m a bit peeved at Trump for kissing Saudi's ass. They export more terror than oil.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Peeps need to recognize the truth. Islam is trying to take over Christianity. All this get along, kumbaya, safe space, poor me crap has Islamists licking their chops as it screams weakness. Just remember that the pendulum never stops, and if it is allowed to keep on swinging, then your grand kids will be ruled by this dark age "religion". The West has no use for Islam and it should be treated like a cult. I m a bit peeved at Trump for kissing Saudi's ass. They export more terror than oil.

Trump didn't kiss Saudi ass. Pleasantries aside, he went to their house and told them they have to clean it.

originally posted by: Grambler
If this is ISIS as it seems to be...

Do people still think it is worth arming Isis in Syria to get rid of Assad?

Is it still a bad idea to work with the Russians to defeat radical Islamic terrorists?

Many here have been condemning such actions from the get go, I always wondered how it came about that lefties were for this? Anyways...

It was obvious that we can't control who'd get weapons or who'd end up with them, the situation was always fluid with new alliances and people changing who they fight with everyday.

Been saying for years we should have officially shared Intel and offered logistical support for the destruction of radicalisation.

I've said a few times that Assad stated early on he'd accept Western help in bringing peace to Syria, even went as far as saying he'd hold elections once the dust settled, with the outside world being able to freely monitor them.

Or we could have just stayed the hell out of it...

a reply to: Nyiah

We can all have opinions. However, it is not as easy as you say. That is like saying a person can play Call of Duty and now they can embed with a SEAL team and parachute into Yemen. Why not? It is all on the internets..

Point is that people are manipulated. They do not need to go to a cave but there are plenty of people willing to push someone into doing something like this. If you think he is not part of a larger plan or cell than maybe the one deluded is yourself.

a reply to: Grambler

That hate is not the answer

Arsonists target Manchester mosque hours after terror attack

And that Islam is not to blame, extremist views are what are to blamed and unfortunately it is not something I think we as a species will ever fix because we will always find a reason to kill one another.

It's nothing more than primitive tribal behaviour, just because they say they're doing in the name of a God doesn't mean we should be blaming the entire religion.

Like I said there's billions of Muslims, what % of them actually go around murdering ? Yet we should hate all Muslims ?
It all seems highly illogical, just like the reaction of shock and horror when suddenly death is on your doorstep, because nobody gives a flying f*ck what's happening in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine where people are being killed daily and whole countries are in ruin at the hands of those we've entrusted with power.

Direct your hatred to those responsible, not innocent bystanders who's only affiliation is they happen to share the same religion, because hating on those innocents will only lead to more hatred and more death and more destruction.

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Grambler

That hate is not the answer

Arsonists target Manchester mosque hours after terror attack

And that Islam is not to blame, extremist views are what are to blamed and unfortunately it is not something I think we as a species will ever fix because we will always find a reason to kill one another.

It's nothing more than primitive tribal behaviour, just because they say they're doing in the name of a God doesn't mean we should be blaming the entire religion.

Like I said there's billions of Muslims, what % of them actually go around murdering ? Yet we should hate all Muslims ?
It all seems highly illogical, just like the reaction of shock and horror when suddenly death is on your doorstep, because nobody gives a flying f*ck what's happening in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine where people are being killed daily and whole countries are in ruin at the hands of those we've entrusted with power.

Direct your hatred to those responsible, not innocent bystanders who's only affiliation is they happen to share the same religion, because hating on those innocents will only lead to more hatred and more death and more destruction.

Muslims need to step forward and help solve the problem. Like you said in so many words, people are just human beings, so i am sure you can understand the reaction, no?

I expect to see Muslims working hard to eradicate the extremism that plagues their religion and communities and be working with police to eradicate the elements within their communities that commit such atrocities as in Manchester. Until then, they risk this escalating to much worse than burning mosques... after all people are just human.

originally posted by: CX
Here you go.....full description of the incident with the woman she thought suspicious enough to report.

Mother blasts lax security at Manchester Arena before bomb that killed 22 Read more: metro.co.uk...

Edit to add: The full details are in the written article there, they appear to cut the video short after she says they informed security.

CX.

funny how they cut out parts. doe seem strange

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Nyiah

No.

If it were that easy most suicide bombers would kill far more, as this one did. 20+ dead and 50+ injured isn't something any old schmuck can make. And if they could, we'd have bombings like this far more frequently.

I haven't read details but I'm willing to bet that many, if not the majority, of the deaths and injuries were a result of a stampede and not the explosion itself.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned but the bomber's ID was found at the scene.

I hate to say this but isn't the first rule of crime, "Leave you're ID at home when you go out to break the law."

If you are arrested for some reason before you actually set your suicide bomb off, the friends who helped you pack all the nuts and bolts and checked to see if you looked "passable" and not like a mad bomber, might then have a chance to split before the police start rounding up everybody.

Another ID emerges from "ground zero"?!?!?

Riiight.

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Grambler

That hate is not the answer

Arsonists target Manchester mosque hours after terror attack

And that Islam is not to blame, extremist views are what are to blamed and unfortunately it is not something I think we as a species will ever fix because we will always find a reason to kill one another.

It's nothing more than primitive tribal behaviour, just because they say they're doing in the name of a God doesn't mean we should be blaming the entire religion.

Like I said there's billions of Muslims, what % of them actually go around murdering ? Yet we should hate all Muslims ?
It all seems highly illogical, just like the reaction of shock and horror when suddenly death is on your doorstep, because nobody gives a flying f*ck what's happening in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine where people are being killed daily and whole countries are in ruin at the hands of those we've entrusted with power.

Direct your hatred to those responsible, not innocent bystanders who's only affiliation is they happen to share the same religion, because hating on those innocents will only lead to more hatred and more death and more destruction.

First I agree with you that not all Muslims are bad, or that people should target Mosques and such.

But moralistic platitudes such as "hate is not the answer" are garbage.

They solve nothing and only serve as an excuse to not take decisive action against evil people.

There is clearly a problem with radical Islamic extremism. rather you want to admit it or not, Islam, or some perversion of it is a clear connector to most incidents of terrorism that occurs in the world.

Posting centuries old examples of Christian atrocities does nothing remotely to solve the problem, and is instead an strategy to keep us from discussing it.

You seem to be concerned about the Mosque that got burned down. So am I.

But how about I respond to you by saying "Well here is a bunch of examples of anti semites burning down synagogues. So dont blame Islamaphobes for violence, its all of us!!!"

You would say thats ignoring the problem you brought up.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
I'm not sure if this was mentioned but the bomber's ID was found at the scene.

I hate to say this but isn't the first rule of crime, "Leave you're ID at home when you go out to break the law."

Unless you want your ISIS compensation package to go to the correct recipients.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
I'm not sure if this was mentioned but the bomber's ID was found at the scene.

I hate to say this but isn't the first rule of crime, "Leave you're ID at home when you go out to break the law."

If you are arrested for some reason before you actually set your suicide bomb off, the friends who helped you pack all the nuts and bolts and checked to see if you looked "passable" and not like a mad bomber, might then have a chance to split before the police start rounding up everybody.

Another ID emerges from "ground zero"?!?!?

Riiight.

some one posted on here a while a go a list of things always seen with suspected false flags and finding an id is one.