Burn the House to Kill a Fly - Notre Dame grads don't know the meaning of Sacred

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Man you guys really cry about every little thing that does not fit in your fantasy right wing world.

You guys complain that colleges amd universities are controlled by evil marxist to destroy the holy god land of murika.

Da people,do things we dont like, wha wha evil commies.

Pot meet kettle

originally posted by: User1138

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Man you guys really cry about every little thing that does not fit in your fantasy right wing world.

You guys complain that colleges amd universities are controlled by evil marxist to destroy the holy god land of murika.

Da people,do things we dont like, wha wha evil commies.

Pot meet kettle

Lol son got triggered, show me where i get all emotional about people doing what they want, i dare ya.

a reply to: kaylaluv

It certainly is not false narrative.

Make a thread. We'll debate it. In the meantime, I say it is a false narrative.

Nope, not my point at all. Pence was invited, was he not? He chose to go - so will others. Some will refuse. That's their choice.

Way to dodge the point.

If conservative speakers are treated poorly and liberal speakers are treated well, does that not lead to liberal speakers being more open to speak? You're using the same argument I remember being used against black folk at one time: you don't have to openly discriminate if you just make things very uncomfortable for the unwanteds.

Just because someone didn't walk out in protest at the ceremony...

If that is what you consider logic, I suggest you get a refund on that degree.

If I say "I don't like hiring alcoholics because they miss work a lot," it is NOT the same as saying " People who don't drink don't miss work." Some do, some don't. But someone who exhibits a behavior that increases the chance of undesirable performance is themselves more undesirable than someone who didn't exhibit that behavior.

In this case, the students have exhibited a tendency to act impulsively against their best interests over a political disagreement. That's not something most employers are excited to have in their business. They want people who will get a job done, regardless if who they have to work with.

Don't gloat too much - things have a way of turning around. At least that's been my experience with elections in my lifetime.

Not gloating... just emphasizing that you just insulted the people you need to agree with you if you want the Democratic Party back in power. It's been my experience that insulting people does not help get them on your side.

Both.

Then please explain to me what the demands were when you were protesting people? Did you want them to not exist?

ETA:

So what's the problem again? I forget. Oh yeah, they're liberals.

I don't think I specified that connection. My contention is that they a) do not realize what they just cost themselves, and b) have no concept of the actual meaning of the word "sacred" and therefore cannot understand how others feel when something is described thusly and will likely offend without realizing it.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: kaylaluv

So now you are going to put words in my mouth and assume I support everything Trump or his administration stands for?

Here's what I don't support - the elite left conglomerates taking over what it means to be 'Liberal' and brainwashing everyone, implementing facism in the name of anti-facism and indoctrinating our kids. I don't support the unfair demonization and false narratives they have been pushing since before Trump's inception. I don't support what the elite left stand for. This alone is enough to make me a Trump supporter.


And whether you believe that I'm a liberal or not makes no difference in how I will continue to carry myself.

Thank you brother, praise kek, blessings be upon him, together we will free the proud peoples of Kekistan, from Normistan and Cuckistan.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: User1138

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Man you guys really cry about every little thing that does not fit in your fantasy right wing world.

You guys complain that colleges amd universities are controlled by evil marxist to destroy the holy god land of murika.

Da people,do things we dont like, wha wha evil commies.

Pot meet kettle

Lol son got triggered, show me where i get all emotional about people doing what they want, i dare ya.

You just did, didn't you? belittled people voicing their opinions. How is that not the pot calling the kettle black as it were.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: User1138

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Man you guys really cry about every little thing that does not fit in your fantasy right wing world.

You guys complain that colleges amd universities are controlled by evil marxist to destroy the holy god land of murika.

Da people,do things we dont like, wha wha evil commies.

Pot meet kettle

Lol son got triggered, show me where i get all emotional about people doing what they want, i dare ya.

Okay, this post "son".
Everytime a valid and legit thread pops up, you get triggered and emotional, jumping in and screaming, "fantasy righr wing world".

Lol, seriously what did that have to do with the thread? Other then make you look foolish? We get it, you've never been to college or any kind of educational institution, it shows in your post. Calm down kid.
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This was a disgusting act by those children walking out. Oh well, sucks for them.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

When it comes to getting falling down drunk at frat parties, or standing on top of a car going 70 mph, sure- that's pretty stupid.
When it comes to protesting a man who has no problem taking away the civil rights of a whole group of people? I don't think that's so stupid.

They are free to protest.

And im free to think their protest stupid.

Think about this: what has Pence done to take away anyones rights? Are they protesting a person, or the actions of that person? To protest a person, without them having the baggage worthy of a protest, is simply dumb. To me it indicates a lack of understanding of the world they live within, and a desire to participate in memetic behavior. Again, hallmarks of the young.

I don't personally like Tom Cruise...but what exactly would I protest about him? His religious views? That seems kind of stupid, doesn't it?

Now, if there is a list of actions by VP Pence that are being protested, i'd be interested in having a look around through it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

They are free to protest.

And im free to think their protest stupid.

Thank you. That's exactly where I am.

I might think differently if a million other things had happened. If Pence had started making statements during the ceremony about killing gays, I would likely have walked out myself. If they had gathered outside the entrance and held signs, well, that's a protest. No big deal. If the valedictorian (or any other graduate) had taken the stage to state, in orderly fashion, that they disagreed with Pence's past actions, I wouldn't have liked it but I could have accepted it. We'd be debating the validity of the rebuttal.

But that's not what happened.

The protesters intentionally attempted to interrupt a solemn celebration of their accomplishments in a futile effort to make a statement condemning the very person who was congratulating them, in open disregard for their fellow graduates which disagreed with their actions, over political disagreements outside the venue they were in. By doing so, and then trying to excuse themselves by claiming they held "sacred" that which they just befouled, they exposed themselves as inconsiderate, illiterate, arrogant, egotistical, uncultured, and disrespectful. That will follow them the rest of their lives.

Legal and proper are two different things. Their actions were legal.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: eNumbra
How dare they exercise their freedom of expression in a country that values freedom of expression.

Is that fancy liberal speak for "drama queens"? How thin skinned can you be to walk out for something so trivial?

You don't agree with Trump & Pence, ok we get it, so why the extra "look at me walking out" drama?

Disruptive and disrespectful to not only Pence, but the college itself and their fellow students as well.

Rather selfish if you ask me, but I'm not sure many liberals these days realize what selfish actually means.

originally posted by: TheRedneck


If conservative speakers are treated poorly and liberal speakers are treated well, does that not lead to liberal speakers being more open to speak?

Depends on the person I guess. It didn't stop Pence. It wouldn't have stopped Ann Coulter. She was DYING to speak, even knowing she had a lot of students who didn't want to hear her. Milo certainly never refused a chance to speak.

In this case, the students have exhibited a tendency to act impulsively against their best interests over a political disagreement. That's not something most employers are excited to have in their business. They want people who will get a job done, regardless if who they have to work with.

The students didn't act impulsively at all. They planned the walk out, and did it quite orderly. Must I also mention that they worked very hard at least 4 years to get their degree, even while Trump/Pence were being elected? I think they can get a job done.

Not gloating... just emphasizing that you just insulted the people you need to agree with you if you want the Democratic Party back in power. It's been my experience that insulting people does not help get them on your side.

Yeah? Tell that to the ones calling me a "libtard" and a "lefty loonie" or a "loser leftie". We have plenty enough Democrats to vote the Republicans out (it's been done again and again). This time, the D's just couldn't get excited enough to vote for Hillary. We may see some changes during the mid-terms.

Low information doesn't necessarily mean stupid, by the way, unlike libtard, which definitely means stupid liberal.

Then please explain to me what the demands were when you were protesting people? Did you want them to not exist?

Phyllis Schlafly, or as my mom used to call her, "Phyllis Shoo fly". Did I not want her to exist? That wasn't my concern. My protest was against her attempts to end the Equal Rights Amendment for women (along with her many other far right conservative ideas that hurt women, gays and minorities). I'm proud to have been a part of a group that spoke up against her. Did I ever commit acts of violence? Never. Did I ever disrupt a planned event and stop it from happening? Never. My mom would have belted me if I had done either of those things. I did use my constitutional first amendment right to peaceable assembly and free speech. It was a great learning experience. And I never had a problem getting or keeping a job as an adult with a college degree. Imagine that!

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Hey, are you belittling the great meme war of 2016? Many brave young memes died for the freedom of Kekistan and the installment of the god emperor, and we continue that struggle to this day! We have much ground yet to gain against the cucks, not to mention the normies. They are after the god emperor, this will not stand!

This thread really shows me just how petty and ad hom this whole political climate is.

Everyone insults the other team on a very personal level and then pats themselves on the back.
All sorts of pseudo justifications are thrown around to remind themselves that they are good guys, bla bla.

Sigh....

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, you're free to think these college graduates are stupid. I didn't even call people on the right stupid, but got called out for calling some of them low-information voters.

But if you don't have any knowledge of the actions by Pence when he was governor and a member of Congress, do I get to call you stupid?

time.com...

a reply to: kaylaluv

Depends on the person I guess.

Oh, please.

We're talking about future speakers at Notre Dame; Pence is a past speaker. The other two were at Berkeley. Neither of them got to speak.

The students didn't act impulsively at all.

Fair enough. They acted disrespectfully, though, not just to Pence, but to the faculty, staff, and fellow graduates.

Yeah? Tell that to the ones calling me a...

Please show me where I have called you any of that.

There are two ways to get called names. One is to interact with disrespectful people. The solution is to avoid them. The other way is to be disrespectful yourself. The solution is to not be disrespectful.

You decide which course is correct in your case.

My protest was against her attempts to end the Equal Rights Amendment for women (along with her many other far right conservative ideas that hurt women, gays and minorities).

That was against her policies. From your response, I would presume she was actively promoting them during the time you were protesting.

Which policies was Pence espousing during the commencement ceremony that were being protested?

TheRedneck

(AFK for a bit, but I will return.)

originally posted by: muzzleflash
This thread really shows me just how petty and ad hom this whole political climate is.

Everyone insults the other team on a very personal level and then pats themselves on the back.
All sorts of pseudo justifications are thrown around to remind themselves that they are good guys, bla bla.

Sigh....

Yup, it is the product of western culture, and ironically the cause of it's eventual downfall.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yes, you're free to think these college graduates are stupid. I didn't even call people on the right stupid, but got called out for calling some of them low-information voters.

But if you don't have any knowledge of the actions by Pence when he was governor and a member of Congress, do I get to call you stupid?

time.com...

Pardon me, but how much information at all on voting would I need about Donald Trump and Mike Pence when his opponent was Hillary Rodham Clinton?

So a graduation that you pay for is more sacred than the Freedom of Speech and the right to protest. Man what a sad life.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Maybe... just maybe... their morals outweighed their desire to be there. They made their choice just as you did yours. What is wrong with you that you can't respect their right to choose to stay or leave?

a reply to: Blazemore2000

I think he is speaking to the complete lack of an emotional filter on people nowadays.
Emotions are trumping decorum.
If the dominant culture "ignores" you, they’re evil.
This is the postmodernist age.
Decontextualised, ambiguous, paradoxical, surreal.
Nothing is absolutely “this” or “that” anymore.
Anything can mean anything or nothing to suit their whims.
Try to catch up.

These are the types you want in control of the nuclear codes?

What??? No violence? Wait what's that sound? Oh thats some conservatives' heads imploding.