Kurt Russell​- Actor, Pilot, Witness to the Phoenix Lights..

a reply to: wickd_waze

There is footage showing the lights appearing.. not disappearing like flares..
Easy google search..

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originally posted by: Bspiracy
a reply to: wickd_waze

There is footage showing the lights appearing.. not disappearing like flares..
Easy google search..

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Only videos I seen are the South Mountain flares that happened around 10pm, not the sightings from 2 hrs earlier where as many a seven were tracked in different areas all over the city. I just googled again right now too.

Maybe UFO's make people sort of forget as in July 1988 me and my friend saw an orange ball in the sky that stayed there for a minute and then sort up and disappeared and we just looked at each other in the amazement and then I said bye and ran to get my bus.The next day we never talked about and remember reading the daily Star paper that reports of orange balls in the sky around the UK yet I never talked about it to him.

PS on the evening of the sighting for a few moments before we saw it the atmosphere became very heavy and it seemed there was no one or cars about and no noise like birds singing etc.

originally posted by: wickd_waze
Lack of pics and videos of the earlier sighting, before the flare events, makes me wonder people came forward with videos and pics and got their memory of the sighting wiped clean and pics videos taken from them by MIB types.

There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

(Part 1) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth
(Part 2 with Map) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth

a reply to: Brian4real

Awesome, so glad you posted this, i love Kurt Russell!

a reply to: Brian4real

Great find OP. Interesting that on approach Kurt saw the lights as well. It would seem to me that his sighting would disprove the theory the object was supported by large balloons (making it a hoax) which accounted for its silence.

If anyone can link to the article where this theory was first pushed I would appreciate it. I can no longer find it.

I wonder if he spent any time trying to learn more about it aside from that one show he saw. Considering he personally witnessed it and thought it odd enough to report. I think if that were me, that woulda drove me nuts trying to understand what was going on.

a reply to: Watcher777

This is what happened to my wife and I during our sighting of a UFO. It was almost a non-event until we recalled it the following day. My theory is it's some sort of side-effect of whatever propels these things.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

(First time linking a thread so if I did it wrong, sorry.)

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: wickd_waze
Lack of pics and videos of the earlier sighting, before the flare events, makes me wonder people came forward with videos and pics and got their memory of the sighting wiped clean and pics videos taken from them by MIB types.

There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

(Part 1) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth
(Part 2 with Map) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth

There is no videos. There is a two frame grainy, blury giff thats suppose to be from a video that no one has. Many people witnessed, not thought they seen, a large silent craft gliding over them blacking out a large portion of the sky which would rule out that optical illusion theory. Reddit has many stories from witnesses.
Kurt Russell said he saw six lights uniform in a v shape. He does not say six separate set of crafts or objects each with it own light.
I think that ship was turning its cloaking device off and on.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
....There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

It is counter-intuitive that anyone would mistake a formation of separate bright lights as ONE big object with lights mounted all over it, blocking out stars as it passed, but actual events have surprisingly demonstrated that this illusion/misinterpretation is common, see www.jamesoberg.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
....There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

It is counter-intuitive that anyone would mistake a formation of separate bright lights as ONE big object with lights mounted all over it, blocking out stars as it passed, but actual events have surprisingly demonstrated that this illusion/misinterpretation is common, see www.jamesoberg.com...

That assumption of course, is assuming that the eyewitness who saw it much closer, covering city blocks, were lying. Obviously they would not have encountered that phenomena with it nearly directly overhead.

originally posted by: wickd_waze

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: wickd_waze
Lack of pics and videos of the earlier sighting, before the flare events, makes me wonder people came forward with videos and pics and got their memory of the sighting wiped clean and pics videos taken from them by MIB types.

There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

(Part 1) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth
(Part 2 with Map) The Phoenix Lights - Laying To Rest The Myth

There is no videos. There is a two frame grainy, blury giff thats suppose to be from a video that no one has.

I don't know the source of the original video but here is 4 seconds of it from :47-:51 so this is probably 100 frames or so if it was 25 fps, and I posted a longer video in Bonez part 1 thread but it was taken down for copyright violation (It had a "Discovery" channel logo on it as I recall). I forget how long that clip was, but I think it was more than 4 seconds, but not more than 20 seconds. I guess I'll save this one before it gets taken down since they seem to disappear. There are subsequent displays of the video in this clip longer than 4 seconds but they aren't explained very well, I think there are probably some with enhancement and with the frame rate slowed down to less than normal speed.

originally posted by: fleabit
That assumption of course, is assuming that the eyewitness who saw it much closer, covering city blocks, were lying. Obviously they would not have encountered that phenomena with it nearly directly overhead.

No it doesn't assume they were lying, rather they didn't understand what they were looking at and misjudged size/distance, not unlike the misperception of the size and distance of this "giant mothership":

UFOs baffle O.C. earthlings

At 400 feet altitude, the UFO (which weighs about a pound) looks like a mammoth spacecraft miles away, dancing, diving, hovering, now flitting away.

Witnesses thought that object was the size of city blocks too, doesn't mean it was, and it doesn't mean they were lying, that's human perception, or should I say misperception.

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
....There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

It is counter-intuitive that anyone would mistake a formation of separate bright lights as ONE big object with lights mounted all over it, blocking out stars as it passed, but actual events have surprisingly demonstrated that this illusion/misinterpretation is common, see www.jamesoberg.com...

That assumption of course, is assuming that the eyewitness who saw it much closer, covering city blocks, were lying. Obviously they would not have encountered that phenomena with it nearly directly overhead.

"Obviously" is a word often used by arguers who aren't confident in their logic and facts. What's your view of my report on multiple events where exactly this misperception has occurred?

Thx for slightly better clip. I starred all your posts because I couldn't find any just the one you linked I seen twenty years ago too and havent seen the twenty seconds one. Its still grainy to me to say for sure one can see right through it. Its kind of hard for stars to show up on videos when camera is focused on a subject in the forefront.

a reply to: WHWIV

That is so funny because I remember reading your post and I had tried to find it again for reference and for the life of me couldn't find it...yet here it is.


I have been truly interested in these stories where people see something that can not be explained yet they dismiss the event until something triggers the memory.

originally posted by: wickd_waze
Thx for slightly better clip. I starred all your posts because I couldn't find any just the one you linked I seen twenty years ago too and havent seen the twenty seconds one. Its still grainy to me to say for sure one can see right through it. Its kind of hard for stars to show up on videos when camera is focused on a subject in the forefront.

It turns out that it's not really crucial if you can see stars though the object in the video or not. What is crucial is that you can detect relative motion between the lights, confirming that they are separate objects and not part of one large object, then it becomes rather a moot point whether stars are visible because at that point we know it's most likely of the 6 planes that witnesses using binoculars and telescopes saw, and we also know the psychology and physiology of human vision can make the stars inside the lights not appear, which would explain why some people didn't see them.

Some people saw a giant kinda like V shaped or boomerang like shape object.Some of the lights looked like flares.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
....There is a video of the earlier sighting, which shows that it's 6 different objects in a V-formation, not one big object as some people thought. The interesting thing about what Kurt Russell says is that he mentions "6 objects" specifically, not one, confirming the analysis of the video that it was 6 objects, not one.

It is counter-intuitive that anyone would mistake a formation of separate bright lights as ONE big object with lights mounted all over it, blocking out stars as it passed, but actual events have surprisingly demonstrated that this illusion/misinterpretation is common, see www.jamesoberg.com...

Agreed.
Except when it's also reported by others at a low,
highly observable, altitude by multiple witnesses.
All stating it was a craft of enormous size making no sound.

a reply to: Brian4real

Very cool to see Kurt Russel be the one to be involved in the sighting too. Sometimes helps for a respected Star to speak about such things, rather then one most would not care to listen to.

What is odd and what Kurt mentioned was his inability to remember the incident, only until being reminded by the TV Show he saw on TV did he check his log books. This to me is a common occurrence, a similar feeling I have felt myself. The feeling that whatever sighting your subject to, your mind wishes to forget.

Maybe these crafts, beings, whatever you like to call them are using something that literally leaves us feeling blank in the mind after the sighting.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: wickd_waze
Thx for slightly better clip. I starred all your posts because I couldn't find any just the one you linked I seen twenty years ago too and havent seen the twenty seconds one. Its still grainy to me to say for sure one can see right through it. Its kind of hard for stars to show up on videos when camera is focused on a subject in the forefront.

It turns out that it's not really crucial if you can see stars though the object in the video or not. What is crucial is that you can detect relative motion between the lights, confirming that they are separate objects and not part of one large object, then it becomes rather a moot point whether stars are visible because at that point we know it's most likely of the 6 planes that witnesses using binoculars and telescopes saw, and we also know the psychology and physiology of human vision can make the stars inside the lights not appear, which would explain why some people didn't see them.

What motion between the lights are you referring to? The static on the video?
As for the optical illusion, yea maybe the human body will always be tricked because of human physiology but not when a quarter of the sky is blocked by something. Like if you held a cd into the air and the group of lights are about the size of the cd maybe the optical illusion theory will come into play but not when a pretty sizable portion of the sky was covered, some witnesses said it was about the size of large ship in "Independence Day", I dont think the eyes and mind will fill in the blanks.