The first world war 7000 years ago?

a reply to: Harte


Whack a turbine in it and you have mechanical motion. Or even a water wheel. I just thought it was an interesting effect to show.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Byrd
This is not the first time you make claims that the Vedas scriptures describing Vimanas don't exist. You have made that claim for years now, and even though you have been shown to be wrong with evidence, you keep claiming the same thing.

If you read the whole thing, the "vimanas" are things that they hopped on (temple roofs, for example) and levitated. They weren't planes and so forth.

With the over 400 suspected, and 60 confirmed Meteor Streams that intersect Earth, there is really not much reason to invoke nuclear explosions in our past as comets have plagued our existence long before life got a stronghold and certainly up to the present day. Comets leave debris trails in their wake, and we go through these streams continuously every year.

The streams also morph as the planets pull on the Sun and change their positions as well as their trajectories. There are huge fragments of long past comets that are still in these debris streams, and some day it is going to happen again. It is a giant game of Roulette .... one that you certainly do not want to WIN.



Warped Meteor Streams hit Earth at all angles...

The most dramatic motion is displayed by short period showers such as the kappa Cygnids and omicron Eridanids that have the massive planet Jupiter near their furthest point from the Sun. Jenniskens displayed the measured orbits in a new animation and noticed how these streams as a whole were warped. "Jupiter's gravity is likely responsible for warping these meteoroid streams by causing both the orientation of the orbital plane and the distance of closest approach to the sun to change," said Jenniskens. "The combination of the two creates conditions suitable for hitting Earth over weeks or months." Read more at: phys.org...

originally posted by: Harte

You either have misunderstood, or you like creating straw men.

I don't think anyone here disputes what's in the ancient Vedic texts.
Just like nobody disputes that the Arabs wrote about flying carpets.

Byrd is referring to that particular post, the content of which comes from the Vaimanika Shastra, a book "channeled" in the early part of the twentieth century whose title comes from an ancient text referenced in some of the Vedas, but which has never been found and may have never existed.

Harte

This was what Byrd posted.

originally posted by: Byrd

If you will check the pinned posts at the top of the forum, you'll see that this has been extensively discussed here before. The "vimana" information comes from a book written in the early 1900's, by someone who "channeled" the writings.

He claimed that "the vimana information comes from a book being channeled in the early 1900" which is not true. The Vimana information comes from many ancient vedic sources, including the Ramayana, and even in the extended version of the Mahābhārata which is from the 4th century BCE, the Rigveda, and other scriptures of the vedas.

As for the Vaimānika Shāstra, yes it is an early 20th century sanskrit text, but the text was written by Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who received it from the ancient Hindu sage Bharadvaja.

There are other, earlier sanskrit texts that also describe how some of the vimanas worked. For example the Samarangana Sutradhara, written by Paramara King Bhoja of Dhar (1000–1055 AD).

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"Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mecrcury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth."
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Link

www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com...

That ancient book describes many different machines, including flying machines. The quote above is from chapter 59.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Harte


Whack a turbine in it and you have mechanical motion. Or even a water wheel. I just thought it was an interesting effect to show.

Yes, run by direct current, not some mystical energy in mercury.

You can also whack a turbine onto the end of the shaft of an electric motor.
High tech!

Harte

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Harte

You either have misunderstood, or you like creating straw men.

I don't think anyone here disputes what's in the ancient Vedic texts.
Just like nobody disputes that the Arabs wrote about flying carpets.

Byrd is referring to that particular post, the content of which comes from the Vaimanika Shastra, a book "channeled" in the early part of the twentieth century whose title comes from an ancient text referenced in some of the Vedas, but which has never been found and may have never existed.

Harte

This was what Byrd posted.

originally posted by: Byrd

If you will check the pinned posts at the top of the forum, you'll see that this has been extensively discussed here before. The "vimana" information comes from a book written in the early 1900's, by someone who "channeled" the writings.

He claimed that "the vimana information comes from a book being channeled in the early 1900" which is not true. The Vimana information comes from many ancient vedic sources, including the Ramayana, and even in the extended version of the Mahābhārata which is from the 4th century BCE, the Rigveda, and other scriptures of the vedas.

As for the Vaimānika Shāstra, yes it is an early 20th century sanskrit text, but the text was written by Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who received it from the ancient Hindu sage Bharadvaja.

Out of context. Looks like straw man it is.
Byrd was responding to a post, not simply pontificating.
"Received" from Bharadvaja = channeled.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

pretty goldbergian; generate DC current, apply to mercury to make rotary motion to turn a turbine and generator to generate electrcity.
nothing like using a lot of energy to do no work

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
As for the Vaimānika Shāstra, yes it is an early 20th century sanskrit text, but the text was written by Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who received it from the ancient Hindu sage Bharadvaja.

Right. "Channeled."

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com...

That was an excellent source but let me follow it up with a more scholarly link from the same source"
page on Vimanas

What's notable here is that the encyclopedia shows that there's more than one meaning for vimana, including...

The palace of an emperor or supreme monarch
The adytum of a Rama temple, or of any other temple
A temple or shrine of a particular Form, see Vimanam (tower)
From that meaning, "a God's palace"
From that meaning Pushpaka or Dandumonara; the flying machine (flying palace) of king Rāvana of Lanka.
From that, a chariot of the Gods, any mythical self-moving aerial car (sometimes serving as a seat or throne, sometimes self-moving and carrying its occupant through the air; other descriptions make the Vimana more like a house or palace, and one kind is said to be seven stories high).
From that, any chariot or vehicle (especially a bier)
In medicine, the science of (right) measure or proportion (e.g. of the right relation between the humours of the Body, of medicines and remedies etc.)
In the Vimanavatthu, a small piece of text used as the inspiration for a Buddhist sermon.
In some modern Indian languages, vimāna or vimān means "aircraft", for example in the town name Vimanapura (a suburb of Bangalore).

So the descriptions are "all over the place" and do include temple roofs, as I said.

Further down the page, you can see two translations - one from a linguist and scholar and one from a second scholar who founded a religious school and had a particular interpretation that he fostered

Dark the descent: the birds are golden-coloured; up to the Heaven they fly robed in the waters.
Again descend they from the seat of Order, and all the Earth is moistened with their fatness."
"Twelve are the fellies, and the Wheel is single; three are the naves. What man hath understood it?
Therein are set together spokes three hundred and sixty, which in nowise can be loosened." ("trans." Griffith)

In Swami Dayananda Saraswati's "translation", these verses become:

"jumping into space speedily with a craft using Fire and water ... containing twelve stamghas (pillars), one Wheel, three machines, 300 pivots, and 60 instruments."

I confess that I cannot reconcile the second with the first and that more translators agree with the first than with the second (which seems to be a unique translation.)

Bottom line: the material does not seem to be describing any real object or class of objects.

a reply to: Harte


They had all the basic stuff to produce usable amounts of electricity, some of our early generators were zinc plates in seawater. Earth batteries etc. But since the Montgolfier brothers were airborne in the seventeen hundreds , with the balloon made out of natural stuff, it wouldn't be to hard to make a flying object. As some of the reports sound like "You have to have an iron pot to produce heat" Well theirs your lifting source. A charcoal fire heating the air going into the canopy, "It went as fast as the wind" well it would wouldn't it. Chinese lanterns make the concept a high probability .How would you drive it?

a reply to: JoshuaCox Thank you JoshuaCox. That is a fine example of a mystery dipped into a bowl of redi-mix concrete wrapped with enigma. Such evidence of advanced technology in ancient times can't be explained by these fools in academic circles. Either they know yet refuse to divulge or they are clueless. Either way, there is no evidence that ancient Indians could produce such stonework. None whatsoever. To suggest "man" was capable of such feats is not only foolish but insulting as well. There is so much evidence that counters the assurances of Dr. cante Wipmiass..er..Dr. Zahi Hawwass. I tire of denials from authority figures who refuse to acknowledge certain evidence contrary to official dogma. They need to face the obvious in a world where people aren't as gullible as in the past. Many sites across the world are beyond such simple explanations. I truly doubt we could match building a replica of the great pyramid. If we could, I'd still believe it impossible for ancient man. And that is only one area of massive stone building globally.

a reply to: dagann

You can't create a nuclear society in a vacuum..

It requires a global society with diamonds from Africa and copper from main, Niickle from Indonesia, tungston from russia and plutonium from Brazil and such..

It requires tens of thousands of composites, and alloys and plastics.. exc.. some of which shouldvstill survive to this day.

By the time we discovered nuclear power we had colonized the entire world and had a population of billions...


That leaves more than a little evidence... way more than anomalies you that don't even require nuclear detonations to have...

Ancient nuclear blasts would require aliens..



I'm quite sure there are oodles of late Stone Age early Bronze Age civilizations lost to history.. hell maybe even some that were not related to apes...

But their will still be evidence of our society in a million years.. some of our plastics and alloys will not degrade, so where are theirs??

originally posted by: dagann
a reply to: JoshuaCox Thank you JoshuaCox. That is a fine example of a mystery dipped into a bowl of redi-mix concrete wrapped with enigma. Such evidence of advanced technology in ancient times can't be explained by these fools in academic circles. Either they know yet refuse to divulge or they are clueless. Either way, there is no evidence that ancient Indians could produce such stonework. None whatsoever. To suggest "man" was capable of such feats is not only foolish but insulting as well. There is so much evidence that counters the assurances of Dr. cante Wipmiass..er..Dr. Zahi Hawwass. I tire of denials from authority figures who refuse to acknowledge certain evidence contrary to official dogma. They need to face the obvious in a world where people aren't as gullible as in the past. Many sites across the world are beyond such simple explanations. I truly doubt we could match building a replica of the great pyramid. If we could, I'd still believe it impossible for ancient man. And that is only one area of massive stone building globally.

What??

Early man WAS able to do that Stone work lol!!

Hell people have even recreated their feats with hand tools today..

Some one decide if to make a stone sculpture that pokes out rather than is dug in is it a crazy big leap lol..


We went from the horses and buggy to the moon in 80 years... lol

originally posted by: fleabit
Many of you lack critical thinking. And common sense. Proof in the way of tools, art, architecture can be found beyond the proposed timeline for older civilizations than those proposed to have undergone nuclear war. And yet a civilization that could have split the atom, which would have required advanced science, infrastructure, transportation, cities, population, an adversary capable of the same.. there is nothing for proof.

Use your head.. it doesn't even being to make sense. They would find SOMETHING. Not NOTHING. Recall how the Antikythera mechanism was such a big deal? Why? And you are proposing several civilizations (or at least 2), and the ability to conduct nuclear war.. including the mechanism to launch it.. yet, there is literally ZERO proof. Let's look beyond melted stuff.

You are not throwing spears and then *poof* tossing nuclear weapons. There is nothing.. no archaeological finds that support civilizations that could develop or launch nuclear anything. It's a fanciful tale with no legs, whatsoever. Unless you want to propose the "aliens supplied all the materials and cleaned up everything afterward" theory. Then I guess I got nothing.. I can't disprove such a claim.

There is the story of the Mahabarat, with the iron thunderbolt weapon. One professor managed to date all of the observations of planets, constellations, solar and lunar eclipses. He managed to tie it down to the year 3087BC. This might be a myth, but around this time, 3100BC, civilisation seems to kick off everywhere:

wikivisually.com...

originally posted by: EndOfDays77
Doggaland sunk 7000 years ago. Planet X comes round in increments of 3600 years. We would have had a Poleshift 7200 years ago basically, so there's your prime answer. Planet X looks like it will pass in September, so get ready. I can see it everyday, see thread for pics.

But I am also highly in favour of the ancient nuclear wars. Yes tekkites can be formed by meteorites, but the examples in Mohenjodaro and Libya are to isolated for my liking.

Saying this you may also want to question that layer of iridium left after the Dinosaur impact 64 million years ago, irididium can also be produced by a nuke.

Look also into the origins of c14 thought to have originated 10,000 years ago. It is cosmic radiation with a starting point of 10,000 years ago, think about that!

What if theres a nuclear war everytime planet x comes around? What if biengs from planet x are bombing us with nukes? Or somehow dividing us in a way that we self destruct?

a reply to: MedicineManJohnson


More proof of highly advanced pre flood civilisations. www.youtube.com... seven thousand years back.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: MedicineManJohnson


More proof of highly advanced pre flood civilisations. www.youtube.com... seven thousand years back.

Do you have a link other than youtube?

We like to check things, and many folks can't access youtube during lunch or at other times. It' s much easier to fact-check pictures and text. To fact-check a video, you have to waste a lot of time figuring out where they got the images from and hitting pause to see if their argument makes sense.

Also, what are they calling "Pre-Flood" - when are they dating the "Flood"?

Does it match Biblical chronology?

reply to: Byrd


It appears the Black sea was a river valley, and when the last water level rise occurred on a grand scale, the Mediterranean, flowed into the Bosporus straits, and breached some restriction and filled up the Black sea, destroying a settled population. The mound that appears under the water, which is like the ones on the dry land ,was drilled and the wood was dated in excess of seven thousand years old.

a reply to: anonentity

From your description it sounds as though it is talking about Ballards expedition in the Black Sea.