Now heres a reason why Trump won the election and why I voted for him

The headline:

Analysis: A company under Trump attack makes a bold move: It repeatedly ignores him

Some of the distressing content:

In a conference call with investors this week, Rexnord Industries reaffirmed its decision to go ahead with a business plan President Trump has condemned in a set of blistering tweets.
“Rexnord of Indiana made a deal during the Obama Administration to move to Mexico,” Trump tweeted on May 7. “Fired their employees. Tax product big that's sold in U.S.”

My hope (as much in vain as it was), was that President Trump would have been able to actually find a way to stop the bleeding to outsourcing and moving jobs out of this country.

I remember once while watching TV where someone asked a rather rhetorical and sarcastic question which I will have to paraphrase...the question was "Well, what do you expect we do about it? There's nothing we can do". This may well be true, but someone with a creative and open mind may have suggested that the two countries who wish to share trade in such a fashion then become "borderless", as its disproportionately structured to allow those in the country being outsourced TO to reap the benefits without the professionals who have first hand knowledge of HOW to do the job behind an inability to work there easily. For instance, if my job were in jeopardy to Mexico, then the US - Mexico should have an open border policy directly relative to the open trade policy. I would certainly live and work in Mexico with the much lower wages as long as those wages reflected the cost of living there.

Trump absolutely had the right "Message", he was just the wrong messenger to carry it out.


More from the article (which is from the Washington Post so I'm assuming it's "FAKE NEWS"? *eyeroll*)

“We’ve essentially completed the last plant move, and we’re currently focused on bringing the last pieces of equipment on line,” Adams said on the call Thursday. The company's business strategy, which was two years in the making, was beginning to deliver results, he went on. “We’re definitely on track to hit our goal of $30 million in annualized savings,” Adams said.
Rexnord, which is based in Milwaukee, had avoided the spotlight for nearly 30 years. Under the White House’s intense glare, it has not changed course in its plans to shut down factories in the United States and move jobs to Mexico.
The supplier of ball bearings and other industrial parts is wrapping up the closure of a half-century-old plant in Indianapolis — 200 of the 300 workers there have so far been laid off. It is investing in automation, which could reduce the need for American employees elsewhere. And over the last year, despite getting swept into political turmoil, its profits have slightly grown.

They tout $30 million in annualized savings, but what have they lost? The loss may not be measurable to the beancounters, but to some of those 200 families the loss is irrecoverable. With that, is it truly worth the 30 mil? A half-century-old plant....50 years of operating and how many times over has 30 million been accrued thanks to those same 200 families that are now out in the cold.

You can ignore Trump if you like but ignoring the message he WANTED to engender is at your own peril and eventually people will find a powerful enough way to say they've had enough of this crap.


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a reply to: alphabetaone

This is where Americans need to think and buy local. Business's exist to make money, be that a single individual or a corporation employing thousands - make money.

It exists to make money. The more money it makes the more infrastructure and employees it requires so as to continue making money.

You see, in a perfect business world everyone makes money, everyone is employed, everyone has savings and everyone spends money.

Now, this is where greedy fatcats of companies and corporations come into it. They have decided that they can make truck-loads MORE money for themselves whilst adhering to the bare minimum that government requires them to comply with. They do this by fighting minimum wage, workplace conditions and taxation laws and some do the numbers and decide that they will close shop and some decide that they will move offshore (out of the country) to either sustain their business or make more money - if they want to move to make more money then they should be taxed appropriately (as Trump has hinted at) to counter them leaving - after all, Trump understands it's a FREE market.

Trump needs to focus in on those businesses who struggle to break even in the current market and give massive tax breaks and incentives to keep businesses in business so as to keep employees employed. Americans need to buy their products.

You have to do your bit to help - everyone does. Everyone.

This is a huge complex problem and if anyone has the experience and ability to fix it, it will be a business person, not a politician who is so far removed from living in the real world it's not funny.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: alphabetaone


This is a huge complex problem and if anyone has the experience and ability to fix it, it will be a business person, not a politician who is so far removed from living in the real world it's not funny.

I agree with everything you said, I don't want to trivialize it by focusing on just one part so I feel the need to say everything prior I agree with completely.

However, with respect to the above, I agree a business person is more apt to understand the complexities associated with what it takes to keep a business operating, profitable and fair. Yet, one cant minimize the ability to effectively circumnavigate the shark laden waters of US Politics either. The problems with US politics weren't created in a day and wont be resolved in a day...and if real change is going to be affected, then both aptitudes must be in play simultaneously, not simply one or the other. Regretfully for us, President Trump had/has the business savvy but completely lacks the interpersonal aptitude necessary for attaining the goals.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Keep on voting Red/Blue because they are the limited options and the only 'so called' option to help change the path of the U.S. equates to repeating the errors of past ways... over and over and over again.

For once, I'd like to see the Red/Blue voters take blame for allowing the toilet to spin but never flush. I'd really like to shift focus to the crappy politicians, but its the voters that are crappy... the ignorance of how much the Red/Blue regime causes all these chaotic issues by holding firm onto a system that has only showed failure is quite thick.

A vote is wasted the second it is used to vote for the lesser of evils.

I know I'm talking to a wall... I just wanted my 2 cents in.

originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: alphabetaone

Keep on voting Red/Blue because they are the limited options and the only 'so called' option to help change the path of the U.S. equates.

For once, I'd like to see the Red/Blue voters take blame for allowing the toilet to spin but never flush. I'd really like to shift focus to the crappy politicians, but its the voters that are crappy... the ignorance of how much the Red/Blue regime causes all these chaotic issues by holding firm onto a system that has only showed failure is quite thick.

A vote is wasted the second it is used to vote for the lesser of evils.

I know I'm talking to a wall... I just wanted my 2 cents in.

No honestly youre not talking to a wall, at least not with me. I have countless times voiced both here and to my day to day colleagues how much I lament my own personal decision and do absolutely take blame for it.

Sometimes though, some real good comes from tragedy even if we cant see it at the time. I'm not sure I'm willing to say a vote is wasted if used to vote for a lesser of two evils, for rational people it could also be seen as a mechanism for learning. You know ala Thomas Edison, "I didn't fail, I found 2000 ways not to make a light bulb".

I will give you an example of what needs to be done..

I have numerous product ideas for businesses.

My business plans work and are profitable if I get my materials and outsource manufacturing in China.

The problem Is, the shipping costs and tariffs are so high that they offset the savings I get on the materials and work and make it just as expensive.

Here the base price is too high on materials and services.

The capital neccesary to enter any market now is insane.

The perfect solution would actually be to ENCOURAGE manufacturing in Mexico and reducencosts on Mexican imports and possibly even supplement the Mexican government to increase their manufacturing capabilities so so our product sourcing isn't incredibly high due to shipping halfway across the world over the sea.

Also, that would help keep our money on this continent at least.

Help turn Mexico into the new China and everyone wins

a reply to: alphabetaone

I commend you for taking blame... you are of a rare breed to be one to see the errors in their ways. As a 20 year voter, I'd be ignorant to say that my voting choices didn't and don't go through a learning curve.

I see life as a human to be nothing more than, a bunch of life lessons that an environment lays out for us, and how our willingness to learn from the environment around us plays out. If we ignore acting on the ways of past that are proven to be wrong, well we end up in the vortexes we see around us now.

Nobody is right nor wrong by wanting to change Red/Blue, but to not learn the lessons of Red/Blue over the past 150+ years and expect it to magically find the end of the rainbow with more chances each 4 years, is not learning life lessons in proper ways. The Red/Blue had their chance... it has expired.

What comes of learning to move on to a system that is not legacy driven and is expanded to fit current times is just a step to indicate that Americans now understand what 'NOT TO DO.'... not so much that another way is perfect. If the problems continue to stretch on... it means a valuable life lesson was not learned previously.

The Red/Blue have big pharmacy, TV, and electronics to keep enough Americans numb to these things though. That's why I made the comment about talking to a wall... most don't even know they're drugged and numb into supporting the errors of past ways. If one does not know they are victim to wrong doing, then they will naturally give support to a system that they may vocalize they have a distaste for.

'Adult day care' are the 3 words that best summarize the average American political conceptualization... IMO.

And, Thomas Edison was one of the most arrogant genius' of all time. Not an ounce of compassion resided in the existence of Edison, which means his decisions were primarily ego & financial driven. I'd expect a business to hold value in the mind of Edison's politics... not a human being that has love for other humans. I might value Edison's teachings for personal gain.. no way would I value his insights for humanity gain.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

My hope (as much in vain as it was), was that President Trump would have been able to actually find a way to stop the bleeding to outsourcing and moving jobs out of this country.

There are several online "Made in America" shopping sites.

Have you ever visited them or bought anything from them? (yes, I have)

Probably not. Just like most people who voted for Trump (not saying you) - - love their Walmart.

The economy sucks. Most people look for the cheapest price for what they want.

They do not put their actions before their mouth. (not saying you).

a reply to: Annee

I would love for you to spend one hour in an ED in Texas and see where the billions upon billions of our taxes go...

People with actual high level educations pouring brainpower into HEALTHY people who pay no taxes and whose lives are subsidized entirely by my taxes...

Buying locally is a pittance when compared to the resources we waste on the millions upon millions of able bodied people abusing our healthcare system..

And on this, you are ill equipped to debate me as I have decades of first hand experience upon which to assert my conclusions...

If we are talking about book banning (to kill a mockingbird or huck Finn) then I will yield to your liberal sensibilities...

But on our economy, the root of all problems stem from the wasted taxes upon those who don't need it...

While MD FACEPs like my better half must forge through the mire and figure out who is dying and who is simply there to abuse the system...

Made in America means nothing if America is broken...

-Chris

a reply to: alphabetaone

I agree with most of your post... and commend you on individual thinking. But I also see one glaring problem with your solution.

If Mexico were capable of maintaining a stable, crime-free society, open borders would be less of an issue. But they're not. El Chapo was captured by a US Marine contingent, because he was able to threaten the Mexican government. Think about that... one cartel was able to threaten the government, and that government was unable to protect themselves, much less their citizens.

Ironically, building the Wall would help the Mexican government become more stable and provide more protection for its citizens. The bulk of the Mexican drug cartels' money comes from the United States across an open border. By shutting off that flow of capital, we would be financially strangling those who destabilize the country. The Mexican government could further establish itself and start working to grow their economy instead of spending all their resources fighting crime that we finance.

If the Wall is built, I foresee a day when travel between the two countries is almost as easy as travelling from Alabama to Mississippi. Just drive through one of those big, beautiful doors in the Wall, and continue on your merry way in safety.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Christosterone

You sure assume a lot about me.

I chose one point.

Most people do not put their money into making sure they buy American. They look for the cheapest price. They do not care if it comes from a sweat shop in some 3rd world country.

They blow it out their mouth - - - but, do not support it in their own actions/responsibilities.

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Your other ramblings have nothing to do with my point.

a reply to: alphabetaone

What have they lost??

Nothing because the betterment of society isn't on their list of stuff to do...

I think you are taking it from the wrong direction, the jobs aren't coming back..

We were always gonna reach a place where you just flat out don't need the majority of people to be working to run society..

Automation was always going to take all the jobs, it is the logical end result..

We have to figure out how to reinvent an economy where human labor is nearly nonexistent.. or at least is so minimal it only makes up 20% of the total population.

Stopping one company from leaving is a band aid on a decapitation.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Honestly, I don't give a damn about the jobs crap. Nothing any "president" can do about it and a report yesterday on CNBC stated that something in the neighborhood of 15%~25% of jobs will be eliminated by AI and Robotics. It is simply what it is. I voted against Hilary. The only good thing about the 2016 election is that today is another day without Hilary in it. The rest of it, I could care less.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Yes, in the case of Mexico it is a huge problem with the solution. I hadn't dismissed that. I was only using Mexico as an example, replace Mexico with any other country and my example would have still been the same.


To be truthful I agree with you that building the wall would probably ensure a higher level of security for Mexico too, but I don't think its the physical wall that causes a lot of the problem...at least in the case of Mexico, but the psychological wall that's gets created by it.

a reply to: Annee

Actually I have. Not so much websites though as local products. I grow my own produce (carrots, corn, green beans etc; and let me tell you being in the heart of NJ and 5 minutes from manhattan aint no easy task lol)


Yet, some things are simply impossible to buy from 'Made in America'.....have you ever tried to buy replacement electronic components by 'Made in America'? It's not even that it's cheaper, in some cases completely non-existent and to be honest, even some that profess being made in America only half of that is true. Hell, think about even the websites advertising the 'Made in America' products and the server farms they reside on, do you think THOSE and their component parts are 'Made in America'? I hope you see my drift here...

a reply to: Christosterone


You know it's funny Chris, because there have been times ive even argued with my 90 year old mother. Why? Because her and my old man (when he was still alive) used to make nonsensical remarks about healthcare...ie., "Ive got a doctors appointment today"....when I would ask them what's wrong, they would say "nothing, but it's a part of my regimen and Healthcare pays for it so why not"....


I'm honestly not sure if I was right or wrong about giving either of them a hard time about it because in essence they are right....yet still, its wasting time, resources and money for (what appears to me to be) no good reason at all. Yet, in another breath claim the Government is spending too much money...

a reply to: alphabetaone

The problem is we live in a free country. That means business owners are free to put their factories wherever they like. While I do not condone the practice; I would rather live in a free country than have a government that can force me to do what they want me to do with my privately owned business.

a reply to: Sublimecraft


At this point I would settle for the new gigantic (1)tax break in the form of much lower, which now are really penalizing overtime tax (2) reversal of the tripling of health care insurance rates for the middle class that they suffered at the hands of the health care firms that have blamed the government and the "libs" (3) a solution to high gas prices (this in light of all the promises over the last 10 years)

a reply to: alphabetaone


Oh yes. My elderly parents are the last of the well covered in old age group. I try to tell them how bad it looks for the next generation on so many levels. They really don't want to listen its clear. Maybe it feeds their ego. lol And yea they are big to blast the government spending programs but really do the same to a degree.

a reply to: TheRedneck


The Chapo was simply theater as was Escobar. The stoppage of these two produced zero decline in drugs availability in the US simply because the government friendly cartels picked up the slack. And, drugs move into this country by 18 wheeler and cargo ships. These shows where they cover border agents pulling cars apart down on the boarder are for show. Just small guys trying to get a nut. Same thing during prohibition for the most parts.