9/11 Conspiracy Debunkers

a reply to: MotherMayEye

What you also fail to understand is the material the NIST reports are composed of were "cross examined" scientifically by peer review.

A whole thread on the topic: www.reddit.com...

Many conspiracists are too cheap to buy access to the journals the material was peer reviewed through, or too lazy to go to a local college library to see for themselves.

Another shortcoming of conspiracists. If it cannot be spoon fed to them through a conspiracy site or YouTube, they act like the information doesn't exits.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Good post DFNJ.

Did read the the entire thread, holding your OP in mind as an objective filter.

The question must go unanswered.

No more should be said.

a reply to: eXia7

Oh yeah, and don't forget the magical passports made from the strongest material in the universe that magically appears out of thin air. Oh yeah, and the NORAD stand down command...

So you express doubt about passport being ejected from American 11 being found on street

What about pieces of mail being found on the street - they survived the same impact

“Sending the envelope that fell to the ground was my unremarkable act of defiance to the chaos,” Shtaingos said, “Remarkably it survived when so much else did not.”
It was surmised that the letter had been aboard one of the hijacked flights that crashed into the twin towers. It seemed the only explanation for the letter’s misdirected journey from Portsmouth to the chaotic streets of downtown New York on the morning of September 11. Both flights were bound from Boston’s Logan Airport, carrying passengers, crew members and cargo, including U.S. mail, to Los Angeles.

Or how scientific experiments aboard space shuttle COLUMBIA survived the breakup at 200,000 ft going Mach 12

When the Columbia space shuttle disintegrated upon re-entry to the Earth's atmosphere, killing all seven astronauts on board, NASA scientists expected that the 80 science experiments aboard the shuttle were destroyed as well.
But in the days after the tragic Columbia shuttle disaster on Feb. 1, 2003, scientists began realizing that wasn't the case. Various salvageable experiments were recovered from the wreckage, including a live group of 1 millimeter-long roundworms, or nematodes, known as Caenorhabditis elegans.
No one expected that the nematodes could survive the intense heat of re-entry, but the C. elegans got lucky, said Nathaniel Szewczyk, a scientist who worked with the nematodes in the aftermath of the crash

In all cases objects survived massive impact forces

a reply to: firerescue

Even bomb parts are recognizable after a detonation.

www.forensicsciencesimplified.org...

Fragments of an exploded device will often be left intact, including switches, wiring, timers and circuit boards. If the timer was made from a unique type of watch, for instance, that information could help narrow the search for who created the device or where it may have come from.

How many watches and ID cards were found by the hand searching of WTC debris at just Fresh Kills, but there was no evidence of explosive devices, demolitions shrapnel, blasting caps fragments, nor ignition systems?

Another misconception pushed by conspiracists. They are wrong that the WTC debris was just shipped off.

The search for evidence, personal effects, and human remains in debris was taken very seriously and was methodical. Almost 19,000 bits of human remains were recovered. 6,000 of the bits were small enough to fit into test tubes.

You can tell lots about the truth movement in what they hide, ignore, and their false narratives.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Uhh, maybe you should call out the op about having room for discussions...because it sounds like he ain't interested in any discussion that opposes his conspiracy narrative...

If we are using standard definitions in the English language, what happened that day WAS INDEED a conspiracy.

The only real question is just exactly who the conspirators were. Was it 19 guys with box cutters, or was it somebody else?

The facts available make it impossible to have been 19 guys with box cutters.

a reply to: Salander

The facts available make it impossible to have been 19 guys with box cutters.

You mean the facts you choose to accept.

a reply to: Salander

The only real question is just exactly who the conspirators were. Was it 19 guys with box cutters, or was it somebody else?

I cannot fathom the idea that 19 hijackers with plastic box cutters overthrew the United States in an hour and did all this damage, military timely, like a black ops operation. Impossible and unbelievable .

People that are corrupt in our government, ( the Bush administration ) really believes their dumbing down process, using the schools, and properganda media, did their jobs in hiding their deceit, however you can fool some of the people most the time, but you cannot fool everyone all the time.

a reply to: Informer1958

you can fool some of the people most the time, but you cannot fool everyone all the time.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Abraham Lincoln

Thats how I feel when I read allegations of nukes, space beams, pyroclastic clouds, no planes, mysterious burned out vehicles and innumerable other claims being made by truthers.

Most are just a perpetuation of something that has been seen on an internet truther website or youtube video. For all those that claim the OS is bunk, have you read the NIST report or the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report? Are you willing to engage in debate or are you simply going to argue your ad naseum, bringing up the same points over and over again?

If you don't have an open mind, if you are not willing to accept evidence you may not be aware of, ask yourself, are you doing yourself a diservice by painting yourself into a corner and arguing against reason?

Hey, even the flat earth can be argued, it doesn't make it right. Challenge yourself to search for the answers, don't just set out to win an online argument even if you have to rewrite the laws of physics to do so.

a reply to: Informer1958

Then lay out the evidence for the WTC? Not some vague innuendo? I cannot believe drug cartels build tunnels under the border? Build submarines?

How big was the network and funding behind the 19 terrorists? Terrorists part of a network of sleeper cells? With possible ties to middle eastern governments. Thanks for painting another false narrative of just 19 individuals all alone.

Hyjacked planes flew freely towards the economical, political and military centres of the world's most powerful country.

Anybody ever figure out what the target of flight 93 was?

My guess would be the White House?

a reply to: MillennialFalcon

Correct me if I am wrong? But isn't the Pentagon less than two miles from a major regional airport that handles many carriers, is a major air hub, and handles over 20 million passengers annually?

Thanks for a post based on innuendo, and not in fact.

www.distance-cities.com...

There are 1.67 miles from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) to Pentagon in northwest direction and 3.26 miles by car, following the George Washington Memorial Pkwy route.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

In 2013, Reagan National Airport handled 20,415,085 passengers, which was a new record.[62] From April 2014 to March 2015, the airport handled 21,195,775 passengers, which is slightly higher than the aforementioned record.[63] American Airlines, following its merger with US Airways, has the largest share of traffic at the airport, accounting for 50.4% of the market share as of June 2015. Delta Air Lines, the second largest, accounts for 14.0%, with Southwest in third at 13.0%.[63]

a reply to: D8Tee

a reply to: MillennialFalcon

Before 9/11. How many commercial passenger jet crews resisted hijackings?

Thanks for doubling down on your lack of understanding and only having innuendo.

a reply to: MillennialFalcon

a reply to: Informer1958

I cannot fathom the idea that 19 hijackers with plastic box cutters overthrew the United States in an hour and did all this damage, military timely, like a black ops operation. Impossible and unbelievable .

Plastic box cutters....???

Box cutter is term of convenience given by media to describe knives used by hijackers

Most of knives used were of "utility knife" or multi tool type

Swiss Army knives, Leatherman tools, Stanley utility knife

List of knives purchased

cdn.historycommons.org...

Stanley Utility knife from Moussaoui Trial

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

List of knives recovered from United 93 crash scene

www.911myths.com...

A number of test or probes to determine what kind of knives could be gotten on board aircraft

AL Qaeda operative Walid Attash aka Walid the Gimp, who lost leg in Afghanistan was used to test the system in
late 1999

Found could bring onboard utility knives, especially if packed with "art supplies"

Hijackers also used MACE or chemical spray to clear out first class section on American 11

Fake bombs were also used to intimidate passengers (United 93)

a reply to: D8Tee

US Capitol building

Bin Laden had designated it as TOWER OF LAWS (WTC - TOWERS OF JEWS, Pentagon - TOWER OF WAR)

Capitol is easy to pick out from air with distinctive white dome. Is situated on hill which makes it highly visible

Also is large building as were all the other targets

a reply to: firerescue

No, no, not 911 Myths. com?

Not a reliable sources anylonger.

Plastic was the easiest to get on board, from my understanding.

a reply to: firerescue