9/11 Conspiracy Debunkers

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Molten steel...??

Most of the "molten steel" come from distorted reports of red hot steel beams being recovered from the burning pile

red hot piece of steel being recovered by grappler

algoxy.com...

Video of FDNY Chief officer instructing crew as piece of red hot metal recovered

www.youtube.com...

Same video posted by idiot claims "red hot molten steel" even though no such thing was said ....!!

www.youtube.com...

operative phrase "Bright bright reddish orange color "

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I am still waiting for someone to say how a website that links to news stories, has copies of FOIA documents, and other assorted official documents is somehow...."debunked debunkery"

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: PublicOpinion

I am still waiting for someone to say how a website that links to news stories, has copies of FOIA documents, and other assorted official documents is somehow...."debunked debunkery"

Because, people heavily invested emotionally and faithfully into 9/11 conspiracies see what a majority of individuals label a rational information site as a biased propaganda rage? The whole thing of getting people's permission to use their statements, citing sources, verifying quotes, and using quotes in context really confuses conspiracists.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: neutronflux

Misconceptions. Sure. Not.
That's a nice pile of hot air, Sky-TV!

 

a reply to: mrthumpy

911myths.com...

Debunked debunkery. I don't give 'em my clicks anymore, try another source.

I went to your source but the link was dead.

a reply to: pteridine

No, he is not assuming molten iron was present. His memory serves him well. 15 years ago the many media in NYC covered the story, with photos. The authorities applied Pyrocool to the area, and for the first time, Pyrocool failed to stop the heat.

That you and a few others are not aware of those news items 15 years ago shows failure on your part to be informed.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: pteridine

No, he is not assuming molten iron was present. His memory serves him well. 15 years ago the many media in NYC covered the story, with photos. The authorities applied Pyrocool to the area, and for the first time, Pyrocool failed to stop the heat.

That you and a few others are not aware of those news items 15 years ago shows failure on your part to be informed.

In order to help educate you in the reality of the situation and abate your failure to be informed, I include the following from the Pyrocool website www.pyrocooltech.com...

"In late September 2001, PYROCOOL was used to extinguish subterranean fires at the World Trade Center in New York. A five man Emergency Response Team from PYROCOOL TECHNOLOGIES assisted the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) in extinguishing fires burning deep beneath Ground Zero. PYROCOOL FEF was the only fire extinguishment product to be used on the World Trade Center fires. FDNY also used PYROCOOL FEF in fire extinguishers to cool superheated steel in void areas during recovery operations."

Note the part about superheated steel and subterranean fires. Fire is how things stayed hot for weeks. Nuclear bombs and thermite explanations only work for those with absolutely no understanding of science and technology.

You should probably invoke the post event cover-up conspiracies. They will provide better fodder and can't be as easily disproven as the current crop.

a reply to: pteridine

Imagine that! Stories change and advertising writes good copy. Whether Pyrocool worked or not doesn't matter.

What matters is that the NIST story is impossible, 90 days of really hot # in the belly of the buildings did not come from burning office furnitures on the upper floors.

Something other than the NIST version is what actually happened. The only question is what happened since the NIST story fails?

a reply to: Salander

Something other than the NIST version is what actually happened. The only question is what happened since the NIST story fails?

That's ok the conspiracy crowd will just make up another story.

I'de like to see a poll on how many here still believe in all the old conspiracy theories.
Missile pods
Space beams
Remote control planes
Passengers executed

It used to be a new theory every couple of months.
But now it's the same old tired lines.

a reply to: Salander

Missed the underground shopping areas? Full of clothing, books, and other flammable objects? So, what is your magical, mystery fuel?

a reply to: Salander

How would a small nuclear bomb that didn't produce enough energy and radiation to go boom, have enough energy to make a tower collapse into dustification, not kill anyone with radiation, cause radiation burns, make anyone sick from radiation poisoning, nor vaporize any person out of existence produce enough heat to keep the pile hot for 90 days after detention.

Congratulations, you just set yourself up for an impossible scenario that is physically impossible.

What nuclear bomb would produce enough heat to keep 500,000 tons times two hot for 90 days without evaporating everything on detonation. Especially if the energy from the blast only turned most of the steel red hot?

The reason they used a fire extinguisher agent on the pile was to stop an oxygen smoldering process.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: pteridine

Imagine that! Stories change and advertising writes good copy. Whether Pyrocool worked or not doesn't matter.

What matters is that the NIST story is impossible, 90 days of really hot # in the belly of the buildings did not come from burning office furnitures on the upper floors.

Something other than the NIST version is what actually happened. The only question is what happened since the NIST story fails?

Imagine that, conspiracy theorists making up stories.

How is the NIST story impossible? All that flammable material in all those offices ended up somewhere when the towers collapsed. Where do you think that could be?
How could a nuclear device collapse the towers with no shock wave?
How could it stay thermally hot for 90 days and emit no nuclear radiation?

The nuclear theory is untenable at all levels and those who espouse it have a complete lack of knowledge of the subject.

a reply to: samkent

LOL

I would like to see a poll of how many actually still believe the official conspiracy theory.

I remember a poll conducted a few months after the release of the 911 Commission report, but I cannot remember exactly how the question was phrased. What I do remember is that about 85% of respondents doubted the accuracy of the report.

Away from the internet, back in real life in social situations with body language, anybody willing to discuss the topic is most skeptical of the official story. Those who would rather not talk about it seem to support the official story.

a reply to: neutronflux

Many people were made sick. FDNY is full of young people who worked at Ground Zero and became sick with radiation poisoning. You would rather not talk about it or acknowledge it, but the Zadroga Bill in New York dealt with that phenomenon. Jon Stewart advocated for it back when he was on the Daily Show.

Young first responders ended up with strange cancers and other sicknesses associated with survivors of Chernobyl and Hiroshima.

That you are unaware of all that simply demonstrates how unaware you are, the status quo for one who still believes the government story all these years later.

a reply to: pteridine

If you really had a case, you would be able to show me the radiation surveys taken by the government showing an absence of a radiation event. But you cannot, because no such surveys were taken by the government, and I know why.

So too if EPA had taken air samples, its head would not have been able to declare the air fit to breathe, as she did.

10 days later air samples WERE taken by Cahill and the group from California, and the air was the equivalent of the air leaving industrial incinerators.

You have no case.

It seems the Chinese have a 9/11-proof skyscraper already ... Does the west have?

a reply to: Flanker86

Any building can be brought down when properly prepared, Chinese, Russian or Polish.

a reply to: Salander

I have stated the statistics of a poll quoted by PBS a few times in the 9/11 threads. Less than 20 percent of the population believes the US government orchestrated 9/11.

a reply to: Salander

I have addressed this numerous times to you.

One, sampling for dirty bombs on 9/11 and after 9/11 revealed no radiation higher than normal background.

Two, asked over and over again how workers at chemical plants get cancer when not exposed to any radiation higher than back ground.

Three, the toxic dust, ash, smoke from burning / smoldering material known to cause cancer and sickness like plastic, lead, chemicals, wire insulation, building insulation, computers / electrics, jet fuel, fuel fuel, ceiling tiles more than explains the illnesses and deaths.

Four, cite actual radiation readings that where higher than normal for the area that would cause the strange illnesses and deaths associated at the rate with the toxic smoke, ash, and dust from the WTC.

a reply to: Salander

Are you saying there was no toxic chemicals, fires, smoke, dust form the Chernobyl explosion. Please list the cancers from Chernobyl associated with radiation vs those associated with toxic chemicals?

Cancer is anything that causes abnormal grow and cell reproduction. Even a virus can cause cancer. So it makes sense there would be similar symptoms.

a reply to: Salander

And to have any intellectual credibility, you need to go back and address...

"a reply to: Salander

How would a small nuclear bomb that didn't produce enough energy and radiation to go boom, have enough energy to make a tower collapse into dustification, not kill anyone with radiation, cause radiation burns, make anyone sick from radiation poisoning, nor vaporize any person out of existence produce enough heat to keep the pile hot for 90 days after detonation.

Congratulations, you just set yourself up for an impossible scenario that is physically impossible.

What nuclear bomb would produce enough heat to keep 500,000 tons times two hot for 90 days without evaporating everything on detonation. Especially if the energy from the blast only turned most of the steel red hot?

The reason they used a fire extinguisher agent on the pile was to stop an oxygen smoldering process."