Is Russiagate really Trumps opponents trying to 'keep' him from working with Russia?

Ok. This 'Russian connection' business is just too out in the forefront for there not be a reason behind it that would benefit those pushing the story. I have been trying to find a quote or an article that could at least back up my idea on why this is happening and I think I did. Let's think about this.

Russia did not think Trump was going to win. No matter what the media says they wanted Clinton because they knew they could control her. She was part of the Russian reboot. She helped with the uranium deal. Her husband made speeches for Russia. They made themselves, the Clinton Initiative and their friends millions and maybe in the long run billions of dollars. She resigned as SecState February of 2013 which was before the invasion of the Ukraine so their would be no conflict of interest again. Obama also never reacted to Russia because he thought Hillary would win.

IN June of of 2016 the FBI said there was no communication or collusion with Russia from the Trump campaign.

This article from the NY Times before the election puts to rest the # show that is now appearing in the media.

www.nytimes.com...

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

The Russian 'hacking' to me was something created in the Obama Administration to attempt to distance Clinton from Russia so that when she won people would not be looking into her past ties but blaming Russia for almost ending an election. Then, when it was all said and done, they could move forward, maybe get an apology from Russia and thing would carry on as normal. The US supplying weapons to those who were fighting Russia and the cycle that was in place when Obama was in office would continue.

Russia made the Clintons money.

Now, however, that Donald Trump has won the Russiagate issue is hindering any type of communication between Russia and the US regarding Syria, NK, Iran and the Ukraine. If the administration talks they would immediately be point to as those who are helping the Russians since Russia 'hacked' the election so it is in affect tying the hands of the Trump administration.

Spicer touched on it once...in a 'real' memo.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account. In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

By firing Comey Trump showed first he is not worried about an investigation and second that he will do what he needs to so he can promote a good and fair policy for our country with Russia and the world stage we are involved in together.

The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation. A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

Trump is no ones lackey but if we would have gotten HRC that is exactly where our country would be right now. If Trump confronts further, like his actions in Syria just yesterday, and does it his own way he is showing he cannot be bought or pushed around like we were for the last decade.

What says you Mud Pit?

IMHO "russia gate" Is the CFR...Counsel on foreign realations, attempt at screwing an outsider with overwhelming control of the press.

The major media conglomerates are all members of the CFR, which precludes any of its media members from accurately or honestly reporting the news, since all of the CFR members have sworn their allegiance to the CFR and its New World Order agenda.

The CFR's control of major media outlets.

You make a good point.

Russia is on the side of assad and syrias government.
It's said that the CA is supporting ISIL or daesh.

And I believe america's involvement in syria breaks international law.
Do the math.

Just keeping score...

CNN, MSNBC, Abc, the comedy channel, TBS and Stephen colbert all working against trump.

a reply to: matafuchs

JFK was trying to put a stop tot a very profitable cold war.

So anything is possible. The MIC would love another round of cold war with Russia, China or both.

a reply to: matafuchs

I think you make a valid point.

Personally, I would rather we try to work with everyone instead of declaring people 'enemies'. Diplomacy is the correct way to deal with others unless they are directly threatening us.

If people resolved differences with the immaturity of our Government we would all be killing each other in the streets. We need a Government that acts in our best interest.

a reply to: Metallicus

Diplomacy does not put $$$ into the MIC complex as fast as a good old fashioned cold war.

Doing what is right is not what is important to Oshkosh, they want to sell military equipment.

No Russia is being run by a Continuing Criminal Enterprise & trump is a bought & paid for stooge of Putin & his gangster oligarchs who would like nothing better than to see America implode.

But you "patriots" go on & keep supporting the enemy leader of our longest & most expensive war.

Practically every major engagement our military has pursued & all the monies spent by the IC has been a proxy war against Russia trying to subvert American policy & doctrine.

I wonder if the Cold War ended & the wall came down because the Soviets figured they didn't need billion dollar weapons but just billionaires that bamboozle.

Americas love of idolatry may be it's undoing.

K~

Every day that the US and Russia do not cooperate in attacking ISIS is another day of democrats supporting terror.

It's really that simple. They are being led by traitors, which is obvious to every Trump supporter.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Ok. This 'Russian connection' business is just too out in the forefront for there not be a reason behind it that would benefit those pushing the story. I have been trying to find a quote or an article that could at least back up my idea on why this is happening and I think I did. Let's think about this.

Russia did not think Trump was going to win. No matter what the media says they wanted Clinton because they knew they could control her. She was part of the Russian reboot. She helped with the uranium deal. Her husband made speeches for Russia. They made themselves, the Clinton Initiative and their friends millions and maybe in the long run billions of dollars. She resigned as SecState February of 2013 which was before the invasion of the Ukraine so their would be no conflict of interest again. Obama also never reacted to Russia because he thought Hillary would win.

IN June of of 2016 the FBI said there was no communication or collusion with Russia from the Trump campaign.

This article from the NY Times before the election puts to rest the # show that is now appearing in the media.

www.nytimes.com...

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

The Russian 'hacking' to me was something created in the Obama Administration to attempt to distance Clinton from Russia so that when she won people would not be looking into her past ties but blaming Russia for almost ending an election. Then, when it was all said and done, they could move forward, maybe get an apology from Russia and thing would carry on as normal. The US supplying weapons to those who were fighting Russia and the cycle that was in place when Obama was in office would continue.

Russia made the Clintons money.

Now, however, that Donald Trump has won the Russiagate issue is hindering any type of communication between Russia and the US regarding Syria, NK, Iran and the Ukraine. If the administration talks they would immediately be point to as those who are helping the Russians since Russia 'hacked' the election so it is in affect tying the hands of the Trump administration.

Spicer touched on it once...in a 'real' memo.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account. In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

By firing Comey Trump showed first he is not worried about an investigation and second that he will do what he needs to so he can promote a good and fair policy for our country with Russia and the world stage we are involved in together.

The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation. A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

Trump is no ones lackey but if we would have gotten HRC that is exactly where our country would be right now. If Trump confronts further, like his actions in Syria just yesterday, and does it his own way he is showing he cannot be bought or pushed around like we were for the last decade.

What says you Mud Pit?

originally posted by: matafuchs
Ok. This 'Russian connection' business is just too out in the forefront for there not be a reason behind it that would benefit those pushing the story. I have been trying to find a quote or an article that could at least back up my idea on why this is happening and I think I did. Let's think about this.

Russia did not think Trump was going to win. No matter what the media says they wanted Clinton because they knew they could control her. She was part of the Russian reboot. She helped with the uranium deal. Her husband made speeches for Russia. They made themselves, the Clinton Initiative and their friends millions and maybe in the long run billions of dollars. She resigned as SecState February of 2013 which was before the invasion of the Ukraine so their would be no conflict of interest again. Obama also never reacted to Russia because he thought Hillary would win.

IN June of of 2016 the FBI said there was no communication or collusion with Russia from the Trump campaign.

This article from the NY Times before the election puts to rest the # show that is now appearing in the media.

www.nytimes.com...

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

The Russian 'hacking' to me was something created in the Obama Administration to attempt to distance Clinton from Russia so that when she won people would not be looking into her past ties but blaming Russia for almost ending an election. Then, when it was all said and done, they could move forward, maybe get an apology from Russia and thing would carry on as normal. The US supplying weapons to those who were fighting Russia and the cycle that was in place when Obama was in office would continue.

Russia made the Clintons money.

Now, however, that Donald Trump has won the Russiagate issue is hindering any type of communication between Russia and the US regarding Syria, NK, Iran and the Ukraine. If the administration talks they would immediately be point to as those who are helping the Russians since Russia 'hacked' the election so it is in affect tying the hands of the Trump administration.

Spicer touched on it once...in a 'real' memo.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account. In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

By firing Comey Trump showed first he is not worried about an investigation and second that he will do what he needs to so he can promote a good and fair policy for our country with Russia and the world stage we are involved in together.

The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation. A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

Trump is no ones lackey but if we would have gotten HRC that is exactly where our country would be right now. If Trump confronts further, like his actions in Syria just yesterday, and does it his own way he is showing he cannot be bought or pushed around like we were for the last decade.

What says you Mud Pit?

a reply to: TinfoilTP

I disagree, R's and not good and D's are the only bad ones. They are both bad.

Perhaps in this case the D's are doing what they are told, it must be their turn.

Clearly the Trump/Russia Collusion Hoax is being pushed to discredit Trump and his pro-America agenda. Globalists don't want to see a strong America, and they certainly don't want to see the US and Russia getting along. They can kill 2 birds with one fabricated stone, using their media, IC, and government shills to push the propaganda.

a reply to: Moresby

How about a real response? I did not want this to turn into a meme war and I think the point is valid that there are reasons that Russia is suddenly the enemy of the state once again but Romney was destroyed in the media when Obamaa said the 80's want their foreign policy back? A year after that debate Clinton was gone as SecState and they invaded the Ukraine.

a reply to: seasonal

So did Lincoln. We all know how it turned out for those two.

I a reply to: stosh64

You make an excellent point. I keep forgetting about the CFR.

So, in a nutshell, thats the whole problem with Trump, he's not a CFR puppet.

Makes perfect sense to me.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Every day that the US and Russia do not cooperate in attacking ISIS is another day of democrats supporting terror.

It's really that simple. They are being led by traitors, which is obvious to every Trump supporter.

It's obvious to every other American who isn't blinded by political bias and a smug sense of superiority, too. That includes our President, by the way. The Cabal is imbedded in every single branch of the government, across all political platforms, and throughout our own military and intelligence agencies...and Trump knows that.

It is a sad irony that it's the Cabal who are stirring the pot; encouraging the partisan hostility and social unrest, the smug sense of imagined superiority, to deliberately divide the nation and sow chaos...and those who buy in to the hate, blame everything on the opposing political party, spread it around and encourage other people join in and denounce anyone who does not fall in line, are their very best secret weapon. It is just plain sad that at the same time, they're the ones undermining their own President the most with their ignorant, basic behavior and street gang mentality.

When you create a "members only" club, you are doing it for one simple purpose: to keep anyone you deem unfit to belong out. When you start a gang, you recruit, and those people who want in have to pass a test of loyalty in order to be accepted. As long as they do exactly what they're told without questioning it, even if they know it's wrong, they're part of the Family and treated accordingly.

If they change their mind later and decide to part ways, they will be allowed to leave...but they'll pay for it, typically by being beaten half to death first.They will be treated like any other enemy would, and no one will protect them or help them if they're in trouble. The entire community will shun them and their family, as well as anyone who is stupid enough to stand with them.

The worst thing though, is that they make it known to rival gangs that this person was a traitor, and therefore fair game for target practice. The smart ones pack up and move away...the dumb ones end up in a morgue.

What is happening right now is not too much different...except there are only two rival gangs, and they just happen to be based out of our government. The problem with that is that certain factions within both gangs are working together in a power play...and not in the best interest of either gang. That's the Cabal.

It's getting dicey for everyone though, because some of their homies from the other side got too cocky and got caught. And now the original gangs are working together to find the rest of the traitors, which is going to result in the Cabal still hidden within the other gang eventually getting caught too. And they don't want that, because then their entire shadow organization will be exposed and they will have nowhere to run from all of the rest of the enraged gang members when they realize that they've been used as pawns, and not only fell for the dupe but perpetuated it.

They're going down like a two dollar hooker and they know it. They can't stop it. But because humans are hardwired to fight for survival, even if the odds are stacked squarely against them, they are trying to hold off the inevitable. As long as people don't start comparing notes, they remain...however temporarily...undetected. It buys them time to get away. And what is the most efficient way of keeping people from talking to each other?

Divide the everliving piss out of them. And most importantly, make them believe it was their idea, that they had a choice. Do anything necessary to keep them fighting, hating each other. Push their sensitive buttons, as much as possible.

They don't want America as a nation behind Trump. They accomplish this two ways. A) they make a huge number of people distrust him, fear him and hate him. They control the MSM, all of it. The Cabal. Not the democrats. Not the republicans. Both, who serve the Cabal. B) They encourage his supporters to affect superiority, by playing up the corruption in the democratic party and playing down that of the republican party. Most recently, they used Comey to accomplish this, which brought the happy pastime of demonizing the "left" back to a fever pitch. Divide and conquer.

If a school kid is constantly being ridiculed, bullied and treated as if he is sub-human any time he goes near his classmates, he will become conditioned by it. Ever seen an entire lunch table at school refuse to let a student sit and eat with them? I have, and it's about one of the most degrading things I have ever witnessed being done to another human being.

Eventually, that kid will learn to avoid the lunch room altogether. He will not trust anyone in there, even if they are nice to him and try befriending him.

Some of them could be the nicest people in the world, but he'll never know it because he's been burned too many times to want to try to approach them.

The Cabal is using that same simple psychology to keep us apart. And they use Trump against his own supporters to do it. He's racist, misogynistic, cold and uncaring. And the more people try to defend him, the more negativity from him is showcased.

He looks like a bad man. He really does. And the behavior toward Americans who don't support him solidly reinforces that. Who wants to listen to a guy who not only is himself a narcissistic, hate-driven bully, but all his supporters are horrible people too. If you don't agree with everything they say, they'll attack you and invite all their friends to join in. Who wants to trust a man who has people like that representing him? Who wants to get behind a leader who teaches his followers that they are superior and more righteous than the rest of America for choosing him? Divide and conquer.

He is aware of what they're doing, and we all know he's a business giant and a showman. So he's rubbing their # right back in their own faces. They make him a sexist pig? Fine. Pussy grabs for all. He's a fat, greedy glutton? Fine. Two scoops of ice cream, bitches. He's buddy buddy with Putin? Fine. Golden showers. Next?

He's shaking things up, and their time is limited. But now we've got a serious problem, because even after we get rid of them all, from both parties, we're still left with a nation that is so divided that the damage might be too grave to repair.

When the # finally hits the fan, it's going to be bad. A lot of people are going to feel angry and betrayed. We need to find a way to mitigate that now. It is imperative for all Americans that we stand united, and do the work necessary for remaining that way.

No, Donald Trump is not a victim. He knows exactly what's going on. But the fact that his own supporters spin it that way says that even they don't have faith in him...even they think he's weak because he's so easily victimized. And that is precisely how the Cabal wants him to look. Unable to control himself or anything around him.

If you really support him, then help him by projecting a unified nation of intelligent, responsible people who take pride in their country and its values and who don't have to agree on everything in order to be a strong, thriving society. Who are Americans first, and never forget it.

Otherwise, you are serving the very people you say are the enemy. You become your own enemy.

More than Trump's opponents I would say the EU. Nonetheless, It is clear that the more the EU comes up with # the more the EU gets into troubles.