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originally posted by: HeliocentricFantasy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted
Does that include getting Jesus killed?
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: DeathSlayer
If the Jews had have been a light to the Gentiles then maybe the Gentiles would have understood what the Messiah was about
As it was, most of the Jews didn't know what the Messiah was about
If the Jews hadn't have failed so badly at their chosen purpose (being a light to the Gentiles) then Jesus could have effected the Gentiles, as it was, the Gentiles had no idea about Judaism, other that they were arrogant tosses
And now look, the christian church have become arrogant tosses as well
God is love, your teachings don't indicate that God is love
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted and yet you place blame on them. Is that the love you talk about?
originally posted by: HeliocentricFantasy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted
Does that include getting Jesus killed?
originally posted by: DeathSlayer
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Raggedyman
Back in Gen . God made a promise about the woman's seed . At Babel God created the Nations and then created Israel who the promised woman's seed would come through .Although God used them , like He uses us ,we also like them fail but God has a way of bringing about His plan despite us humans . But His plan was to reverse what happened in the garden and what happened at Babel . Remember that He turned His back on us and put other gods over the Nations . If you study the new Testament you see the same Nations mentioned in Gen .where God using mostly Paul to plant Gentile Churches . Also there were the 5,000 Jews from other Nations that got saved at Pentacost and went back home .
What do you think Israel were chosen for exactly?
Once the disciples figured out that the Gentiles were part of the plan as well as them , the two became one in Christ . But salvation was for the Jew first .
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
The rejection Of Christ and his crucifixtion has opened the door to the world through the Jewish people.
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
originally posted by: HeliocentricFantasy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
The rejection Of Christ and his crucifixtion has opened the door to the world through the Jewish people.
Meaning what?
originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Lazarus Short
You might just want to google the names of the 12 tribes of Israel
Jews are Hebrews or loosely Israelies
Judaism is the religion, Jews are the practitioners, not a tribe
All 12 tribes make up the Jewish people
Samaritans from Samaria were not Jews, they were Samaritans.
They didn't go to the temple in Jerusalem, hence Israel and Judah and the big split
So many people are so confused around here
The rejection Of Christ and his crucifixtion has opened the door to the world through the Jewish people.
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
Without Gods plan we would be lost and so would the Jews . disclaimer ...I use the term "Jew" to refer the Old Testament Hebrews but the Jew came from Judea and other "Jews" were not from Judea but we cast the whole lot of them into this term "Jew" . Todays Judaism is nothing like the 1st century Israelite religion . That old system died with the Temple and I don't think it will ever come back ,but it wouldn't really serve any purpose anyway even if man decided to resurrect it .
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: HeliocentricFantasy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
The Jews have done exactly what God wanted
Does that include getting Jesus killed?
Yes.
originally posted by: HeliocentricFantasy
a reply to: DeathSlayer
The rejection Of Christ and his crucifixtion has opened the door to the world through the Jewish people.
It opened the door to the world from what. And how?
And without the Jew we would have no salvation....
What salvation, what causes salvation and what does it have to do with Jews?
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: DeathSlayer
"I have other sheep who are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice". John ch10 v16
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: DeathSlayer
Yes, God never intended to confine himself to the Old Testament nation alone. That was just the starting-point. He was training them up to teach the rest of the world.
Why did God want the Jews to want to see Jesus killed?
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He didn't but He knew Jesus would be rejected because of their expectations of The Messiah would be . God didn't make it exactly clear in the Old Testament because like Paul wrote in the New Testament " Had they of known ,they would not have crucified Him" . Paul was referring not to the humans but to the Spiritual Powers ,ie the Devil and his fallen Angels .edit on 19-5-2017 by the2ofusr1 because: (no reason given)