CNN ignoring SETH RICH

a reply to: introvert

No from what I have seen the Russian hacking investigation is the primary focus of the investigation, with the Trump collusion part being secondary. Or maybe they are of equal importance.

But there is definitely an ongoing investigation into Russias hack of the DNC and how to prevent further hacks.

And I don't think a Russian hack, if it happened, is small beans. We should not allow any group to hack political parties to help another, rather they be foreign or domestic.

a reply to: introvert

Yeah there is getting to be enough juicy transgressions that we can forget about the hack altogether and STILL investigate Trump for misdeeds. Though that doesn't mean the russian hack investigation is going away. There WILL be an accounting to it whether Trump likes it or not.

originally posted by: iWontGiveUP
Why is CNN not reporting on Seth Rich?

ABC, MSNBC, are silent too!

Russia?

It appears you STILL have some sliver of a dream that the MSM are out to report objective news. This should pass.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Firstly there was more listed wrong with Crowd strike than just their Ukrainian mishap.

But even if it was just that, why can't we take the companies track record into account when deciding on their credibility?

If they were wrong about the Ukraine situation, why should we assume they are right in this area?

At the very least, it should have casts enough doubt as to their effectiveness to allow the FBI to also look at the server. But no, Crowd Strike is the end all be all. Never mind their connections to the democrats, never mind their being wrong in their other biggest case, we now have to spend millions of dollars and countless time developing policies that assumes their report is 100% accurate, with no one else, not even the FBI being allowed to look at the server.

Be honest. If only a company owned by a friend of Trump got to see Hillarys server, and they said she was guilty of things, and the FBI was not allowed to see it, you would be furious. Yet in this situation, it was deemed ok by the dems.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: introvert

Yeah there is getting to be enough juicy transgressions that we can forget about the hack altogether and STILL investigate Trump for misdeeds. Though that doesn't mean the russian hack investigation is going away. There WILL be an accounting to it whether Trump likes it or not.

What transgressions? All I have heard is people saying they have found not one piece of evidence proving Trump/Russian collusion.

And if Russia did not hack the DNC, then the collusion discussion is pointless because there was nothing illegal going on to collude about.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Firstly there was more listed wrong with Crowd strike than just their Ukrainian mishap.

I know. I have problems with all of it. I just posted the one example to prove my point.

But even if it was just that, why can't we take the companies track record into account when deciding on their credibility?

Because data can be corroborated without relying on the company's credibility.

If they were wrong about the Ukraine situation, why should we assume they are right in this area?

At the very least, it should have casts enough doubt as to their effectiveness to allow the FBI to also look at the server. But no, Crowd Strike is the end all be all. Never mind their connections to the democrats, never mind their being wrong in their other biggest case, we now have to spend millions of dollars and countless time developing policies that assumes their report is 100% accurate, with no one else, not even the FBI being allowed to look at the server.

That's between the FBI and CrowdStrike. You aren't the head of the FBI and you don't get to make those judgement calls. If they decided that the Ukraine bit was irrelevant then so be it.

Be honest. If only a company owned by a friend of Trump got to see Hillarys server, and they said she was guilty of things, and the FBI was not allowed to see it, you would be furious. Yet in this situation, it was deemed ok by the dems.

I'm already furious enough with Trump not nominating an independent investigator and continually deciding that he should be in charge of overseeing his own investigation without thinking about your fantasy situation.

a reply to: Grambler

My top one these days is obstruction of justice for firing Comey.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

How is it Obstruction? What are you talking about?
Are you getting paid just to spew hate?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Grambler

My top one these days is obstruction of justice for firing Comey.

The CEO of Coca Cola was fired.
Now we can't buy Coke any more.

originally posted by: iWontGiveUP
a reply to: Krazysh0t

How is it Obstruction? What are you talking about?

You don't understand how firing the man in charge of investigating if you illegally made contact with the Russians could qualify as obstruction of justice? That is either the most absurd naivety I've ever heard of or pure willful ignorance partisanship.

Are you getting paid just to spew hate?

I wish I was being paid to put up with you guys lying about reality all the time.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Grambler

My top one these days is obstruction of justice for firing Comey.

The CEO of Coca Cola was fired.
Now we can't buy Coke any more.

That is a terrible argument and has no relation to anything I'm getting at.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Grambler

My top one these days is obstruction of justice for firing Comey.

The CEO of Coca Cola was fired.
Now we can't buy Coke any more.

That is a terrible argument and has no relation to anything I'm getting at.

Just making the point that the investigation continues, without Comey.... as has been stated by the FBI.

Just like they still make Coke.

Rich left Lou’s City Bar, a couple miles from his home, at about 1:15 a.m. on July 10. His immediate activities after leaving the bar remain a mystery:

He walked home, calling several people along the way. He called his father, Joel Rich, who he missed because he had gone to sleep. He talked with a fraternity brother and his girlfriend, Kelsey Mulka.
Around 4:17 a.m., Rich was about a block from his home when Mulka, still on the phone with him, heard voices in the background. Rich reassured her that he was steps away from being at his front door and hung up.

Two minutes later, Rich was shot twice. Police were on the scene within three minutes. Rich sustained bruising on his hands and face. He remained conscious, but died at a nearby hospital less than two hours later.

Police detectives will not say whether Rich provided them with any clues about the identity of his attackers or their motivation, Wheeler said. However, Wheeler believes Rich could have provided information prior to his death of who was responsible for carrying out his murder.

Grainy video tape from a security camera outside a grocery mart shows two assailants shooting Rich twice in his back. They did not take "his wallet, cell phone, keys, watch or necklace worth about $2,000."

a reply to: butcherguy

No #. That isn't the point I made. Whether the investigation continues or not, the results of this investigation have now been tainted because the person being investigated has interfered with the investigation. And it makes it worse since the investigation was already dubious enough thanks to there being no independent investigator in charge. Then you have the problem where someone who told the country they were recusing themselves from the investigation was involved in the firing AND is involved in getting Comey's replacement. This is all shady as #!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So here is the funny part of the whole Comey thing.

Most democrats art one time said they wanted him gone, that he wasn't good at his job.

Now they are upset that Trump fired him during this investigation, which as of right now has admittedly turned up no evidence of Trumps guilt.

Now we have no idea how long this investigation will go on. It could be years and years. And even then, if Trump is not found guilty, the dems will want more investigating.

So what did they (the dems) want, a man that that they claimed was incompetent or somehow biased running the FBI for the next 8 years just to pursue this one investigation, that by the way, will continue without him.

Again like I said on another thread, how is it that the very same people that once criticized the deep state for the Iraq WMD thing are now the deep states biggest cheerleaders?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So here is the funny part of the whole Comey thing.

Most democrats art one time said they wanted him gone, that he wasn't good at his job.

Now they are upset that Trump fired him during this investigation, which as of right now has admittedly turned up no evidence of Trumps guilt.

True and I still would have liked to see him go, but that doesn't mean I'll agree with or not question this dubiously timed firing.

Now we have no idea how long this investigation will go on. It could be years and years. And even then, if Trump is not found guilty, the dems will want more investigating.

First off, you don't know that for sure, but regardless after eight investigations into Benghazi from the Republicans during the Obama years, y'all really don't have the right to complain about how many investigations the Dems end up pursuing here.

So what did they (the dems) want, a man that that they claimed was incompetent or somehow biased running the FBI for the next 8 years just to pursue this one investigation, that by the way, will continue without him.

The dems want an independent prosecutor, but that doesn't mean that Trump gets carte blanche to fire Comey when he starts making him uncomfortable with the Russia investigation. Furthermore, we have the reports of the loyalty test which is SUPER not cool.

Again like I said on another thread, how is it that the very same people that once criticized the deep state for the Iraq WMD thing are now the deep states biggest cheerleaders?

First off, read my join date. I wasn't on ATS during the Bush years. Second off, I've never believed in the "deep state". It's just stupid conspiracy theory made all the dumber when you realize that Trump and the republicans are in charge of the government. Not the Democrats. So the deep state snipe hunt is just a distraction from the Republicans' own mistakes.

a reply to: Grambler

Most democrats art one time said they wanted him gone, that he wasn't good at his job. Now they are upset that Trump fired him during this investigation, which as of right now has admittedly turned up no evidence of Trumps guilt.

What would they do if Trump re-hired Comey?

Their heads would be liable to explode.

a reply to: Grambler

No from what I have seen the Russian hacking investigation is the primary focus of the investigation, with the Trump collusion part being secondary. Or maybe they are of equal importance. But there is definitely an ongoing investigation into Russias hack of the DNC and how to prevent further hacks.

That could be. I thought the focus was on people within the Trump team and their interactions with Russians. Either way, I can agree that it does not look good that the DNC would not let the FBI look at the server. It's also possible that the FBI doesn't really need to look at the server to go the direction it wants to go.

Who knows?

And I don't think a Russian hack, if it happened, is small beans. We should not allow any group to hack political parties to help another, rather they be foreign or domestic.

I don't think it's the governments job to protect private organizations.

a reply to: butcherguy

That is not an option at this point. For one, Comey may not even take the job back. For two, Trump never backs down from a fight. Hiring Comey back would require him admitting he made a mistake which would be an acquisition of defeat in his mind. Not happening.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: introvert

Yeah there is getting to be enough juicy transgressions that we can forget about the hack altogether and STILL investigate Trump for misdeeds. Though that doesn't mean the russian hack investigation is going away. There WILL be an accounting to it whether Trump likes it or not.

The hack itself seems to be secondary to me. Yes, it appears the Russians hacked the DNC and leaked the info to wikileaks, or whomever. Lesson learned and now the DNC should know better.

Now what we need to know is what the hell went on with Russia, Trump and those surrounding him.