Europe should have never discarded its Christian identity

a reply to: firefromabove

When Christianity formed an institution with a central government, it became corrupt from the original teachings of Jesus and his original followers. Paul set up the first institution with a treasury and his own policies. When the protestants broke away from the catholic church, they remembered that for a time. Then in the 80's little protestant churches combined and formed a central government of conventions etc. , and became a corrupt political institution with the rally cry of abortion as the main platform. Now, with that kind of control over our representatives, we have chaos and the poor getting poorer. The people Jesus loved.

Matthew 4:8 Again the Devil took him along to a high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory and said to him, "All these kingdoms I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me".

Jesus refused.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Have you read Stan Deyo's The Cosmic Conspiracy? I think he was on to something in regards to bloodlines, secrets, religion, secret government programs and UFO technology. If I am to believe CE4 accounts, then they (aliens) are physical (tangible) and also able to manipulate solid objects and human biology to float (through walls etc).

I would describe the alien phenomena as esoteric in nature and highly compartmentalized and if I add operation paperclip into the mix, it's occurrence coincided with an eventual spike in UFO sightings, crop circles and finally CE4 episodes on a global scale, almost as if it was designed to link to 2 together (UFOs = interplanetary aliens).

What was it, exactly, that Ezekiel witnessed and described? It's either an actual account or made-up BS so if I put aside that it's BS and give the account the benefit of doubt then I'm left thinking he witnessed an object land on earth and creatures disembark.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: 4003fireglo

Except that was before the reformation, before people could read, when the Catholic clergy told people what was right or wrong
Before christianity birthed education and western society

Oops, you got it wrong

Oh! I see.

a reply to: firefromabove

You're right. The fallacy of the christianiphobes is that everything the church did was evil. They say this while they enjoy healthcare, education, and judeo-Christian values. It's difficult for them to even recognize the effect of Christianity on Western Civilization, let alone applaud them for it. We can now say goodbye to Europe.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: ClovenSky

Have you read Stan Deyo's The Cosmic Conspiracy? I think he was on to something in regards to bloodlines, secrets, religion, secret government programs and UFO technology. If I am to believe CE4 accounts, then they (aliens) are physical (tangible) and also able to manipulate solid objects and human biology to float (through walls etc).

I would describe the alien phenomena as esoteric in nature and highly compartmentalized and if I add operation paperclip into the mix, it's occurrence coincided with an eventual spike in UFO sightings, crop circles and finally CE4 episodes on a global scale, almost as if it was designed to link to 2 together (UFOs = interplanetary aliens).

What was it, exactly, that Ezekiel witnessed and described? It's either an actual account or made-up BS so if I put aside that it's BS and give the account the benefit of doubt then I'm left thinking he witnessed an object land on earth and creatures disembark.

Wonderful. I am starting to head down that thought path as well. It is interesting how many stories of aliens there are in ancient manuscripts, clay tablets and cylinder rolls. If they hold some validity of truth, I think it makes the old testament a lot more coherent than the explanation of those stories being of metaphors and not things that actually occurred. Trying to plow my way through some of the Sumerian interpretations now.

The Cosmic Conspiracy? I will check that out. Thank you.

It was pagan before it was ever Christian.

Much more fun.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: firefromabove

You're right. The fallacy of the christianiphobes is that everything the church did was evil. They say this while they enjoy healthcare, education, and judeo-Christian values. It's difficult for them to even recognize the effect of Christianity on Western Civilization, let alone applaud them for it. We can now say goodbye to Europe.

So... you are blaming socialism on Christianity?

a reply to: DJW001

No, I'm pointing out a fallacy of anti-Christians.

a reply to: 4003fireglo

It's just difficult to understand why anyone would want to go back to religious rule when it's been such a nuisance to scientific progress over the centuries.

There was a time when that statement was untrue. The difference today, is that most people seem to prefer and limit themselves to the eisegesis, in place of the true exegesis of esoteric scripture. Behind all the allegory is a map to the heavens, where Absolute science and mathematics provide the cornerstone to every temple worth embodying.

While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text.

As well as...

Hermeneutics in Qualitative Research

Hermeneutics was “derived from the Greek verb, hermeneueuein, “to interpret” and from the noun, hermeneia, or “inerpretation” (Bryne, 1996). Within the field of qualitative research this term still holds the connotation of “interpretation”. However, the depth and type of interpretation, and the object under interpretation has changed throughout history. Originally, hermeneutics emerged as a response to the debate about interpretations of biblical scriptures (Byrne, 1996; Hunter, 2006).

Reformers of the Roman Catholic Church felt that the true meaning of the biblical texts could only be extrapolated through the lens of tradition. Without tradition a biblical text could not be interpreted. To the contrary – and here we see the entry of a newer brand of hermeneutics – the Reformers believed that some version of the true meaning of these biblical texts could be derived from contemporary, ordinary readers, many of whom were not versed with the traditional viewpoints of Catholicism (Hunter 2006).

Shortly thereafter, Freidrich Ast offered a new view. He believed that hermeneutics involved more than just the interpretation of biblical texts; rather, it involved interpreting text and uncovering the spirituality of both the person who reads the text and the author of that text. For Ast, hermeneutics involved an attempt, through analysis of text, to re-create as much as possible, the original intention of the author without being limited by the lens of historical/religious tradition, nor the lens of contemporary culture (Hunter, 2006).

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: firefromabove

You're right. The fallacy of the christianiphobes is that everything the church did was evil. They say this while they enjoy healthcare, education, and judeo-Christian values. It's difficult for them to even recognize the effect of Christianity on Western Civilization, let alone applaud them for it. We can now say goodbye to Europe.

Ahhh, but what if what was worshiped as gods in the olden times were actually aliens. Maybe we should be thanking them for the rapid advancement of mankind not starting 2000 years ago but when homo-erectus took a massive evolutionary leap around 50,000 years ago. Also thank them for the instant creation of civilization in mesopotamia with no lead up. Bamb, instant civilization with the advent of language, written language and a societal structure.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Then we'd all be screwed, and you'd be worshipping an alien instead, unless you're an athiest in which case, you'd be worshipping yourself.

originally posted by: RisenMessiah
a reply to: ClovenSky

Then we'd all be screwed, and you'd be worshipping an alien instead, unless you're an athiest in which case, you'd be worshipping yourself.

You know that is really interesting statement. Why would aliens have anything to do with my beliefs? Even if they created us or formed us from the life that was already on this planet.

There is nothing in the documentation that suggests they are anything past the physical. My spiritual beliefs will mesh in nicely with aliens. Actually it will solidify my foundations. The more I read, the more apparent is the lack of talk about who created the aliens themselves.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We can now say goodbye to Europe.

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You are too fatalist. Europe survived Two World Wars, I'm sure it can survive again.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Interesting. If i were to tell you I were an Alien, would you worship me?

a reply to: Substracto

I waved goodbye to Europe 2 years ago. But God still has hope for them. I'm on a break. I'm tired of saving thankless humans.

originally posted by: Substracto
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We can now say goodbye to Europe.

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You are too fatalist. Europe survived Two World Wars, I'm sure it can survive again.

That was back when Europe was still Europe. Now it commits suicide.

originally posted by: RisenMessiah
a reply to: ClovenSky

Interesting. If i were to tell you I were an Alien, would you worship me?

Why would I? I might instead curse you for technology if you gave it to us, but I fear the thread is too far off topic already.

So tell me mr. alien, who created you? What makes you greater than I? Just because you are more technologically advanced doesn't mean you have any more of a clue to what comes after our time in this reality ends than I do.

It is the beauty of this reality. Even the aliens could be chained by the same rules the rest of us live by.

a reply to: RisenMessiah

Jeebus, any plans for a global barbecue sometime soon?

a reply to: firefromabove

European civilisation is built on Roman and Greek innovations, pagan ones at that.

Those pagans had underfloor heating 2000 years ago.

Europe was stunted by christianity, its war on knowledge, millions killed in forced conversion and religious wars, its desire to keep the populace dumb and prosper from feudalism and exploitation of political power, its disgusting treatment of women and burnings at the stake.

Its almost like you havent a bloody clue.

a reply to: firefromabove

I hear ya. I'd go one further and say they shouldn't have ever left their pagan identities when the Christian hoards showed up, lopping off heads and burning people at the stake.