New Study - Transgender myth exposed - a mental disorder.

a reply to: face23785

Psychologists say transgender people often face what feels like a stacked deck against them. The disapproval and confusion of friends, family and people around them creates a burden of stress. Many trans people fear for their safety because of the threat of anti-transgender violence.

Furthermore, many report having trouble finding and keeping jobs because of their transgender status.

One of the biggest issues many trans people face is the difficulty of changing gender. Transitioning from one gender to another can take many forms, but often requires hormone therapy and sometimes surgery on breasts and/or genitals.

Many people have to pay out-of-pocket for these expenses, because they either don't have medical insurance or their insurance doesn't cover the treatment. Additionally, the process takes a long time — most doctors follow guidelines called the Standards of Care that require people to live and present as their preferred gender for months before receiving any physical intervention.

Yet transgender people overwhelmingly say it's worth it. After transitioning, transgender people show a significant decrease in substance abuse problems and depression, for example, and their mental health significantly improves, Knudson said.

www.livescience.com...

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

I hate when people use the suicide statistics to prove that being transgender is a mental illness. The suicides happen either because of the horrible treatment they get from society, or because they waited too late to transition and it doesn't go as well as they had hoped.

Most don't regret their decision afterwards. They regret that their families were never able to accept them and they regret that they started too late.

That may very well be the case but I don't think this is documented and quantified anywhere is it?

Here ya go, champ.

That's one of many. Do you think something like this hasn't been "quantified"?

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

So if people can't make babies on their own it's a mental illness? I'll send the memo to all barren women and sterile men.

Omfg......... My point was, 2 men cannot make a baby. It takes a male and a female, to make one NATURALLY. Or at the very least, a female egg and an apparatus for it to grow in. Key word is naturally. But if you want to put words in my mouth whatever.

You said this correct?

But I do believe it is a mental illness. It is like trying to plug in an electrical appliance by connect male to male ends, it does not work! It's just nature.

So I didn't put words in your mouth.

Maybe I used the wrong analogy, but I figured people would understand what I meant. So tell me, how does it even imply that people who are unable to have kids are mentally ill? I said trans people are mentally ill.

Then why did you bring up your appliance argument into a physiological discussion?

I was trying to say that some things just don't fit or work. So tell me where the line is drawn? Pedo's are already trying to say their behavior is normal and it's "just who they are". Doesn't there have to be a line drawn somewhere? I just think that blindly accepting certain things may lead to a can of worms that cannot be contained.

I believe in pedophiles when they say "that's just who they are". That doesn't mean there aren't victims and that's what makes it wrong. Serial killers do what they do (usually) because that's just "who they are". Again, victims.

With transsexuals, the victims are them. So the only can of worms being opened are being opened by people like you.

Maybe so. I wont claim to know all of the facts, and I have not had the inclination to further study it because frankly I do not really care what someone does with their own body. I treat trans people no different than anyone else, in the limited experiences I have had. I don't hate these people, far from it. in fact, I feel more comfortable around them than say, a bunch of ex-cons. I am simply saying that "to me" it is a mental health issue.

a haircut is going against physical nature. and as far as emotional nature goes, you sure do feel better after you get one, yeah?

if you're going to hate, hate correctly.

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
a haircut is going against physical nature. and as far as emotional nature goes, you sure do feel better after you get one, yeah?

Hair grows back.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

So if people can't make babies on their own it's a mental illness? I'll send the memo to all barren women and sterile men.

Omfg......... My point was, 2 men cannot make a baby. It takes a male and a female, to make one NATURALLY. Or at the very least, a female egg and an apparatus for it to grow in. Key word is naturally. But if you want to put words in my mouth whatever.

You said this correct?

But I do believe it is a mental illness. It is like trying to plug in an electrical appliance by connect male to male ends, it does not work! It's just nature.

So I didn't put words in your mouth.

Maybe I used the wrong analogy, but I figured people would understand what I meant. So tell me, how does it even imply that people who are unable to have kids are mentally ill? I said trans people are mentally ill.

Then why did you bring up your appliance argument into a physiological discussion?

I was trying to say that some things just don't fit or work. So tell me where the line is drawn? Pedo's are already trying to say their behavior is normal and it's "just who they are". Doesn't there have to be a line drawn somewhere? I just think that blindly accepting certain things may lead to a can of worms that cannot be contained.

I believe in pedophiles when they say "that's just who they are". That doesn't mean there aren't victims and that's what makes it wrong. Serial killers do what they do (usually) because that's just "who they are". Again, victims.

With transsexuals, the victims are them. So the only can of worms being opened are being opened by people like you.

Maybe so. I wont claim to know all of the facts, and I have not had the inclination to further study it because frankly I do not really care what someone does with their own body. I treat trans people no different than anyone else, in the limited experiences I have had. I don't hate these people, far from it. in fact, I feel more comfortable around them than say, a bunch of ex-cons. I am simply saying that "to me" it is a mental health issue.

I don't want to back you into a corner any more than you have been. But... will any of this inspire you to study it and become an informed person on the subject. You know, just in case it comes up again?

WPATH is the authority and science/data curator on just about everything relating to the topic. If you decide to educate yourself on it, that would be the place to start.

On a different note, I am glad you kept participating to this point. Things in the dark are often misunderstood and society likes to keep the science behind this subject rather poorly-lit. Thank you. I mean that.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
a haircut is going against physical nature. and as far as emotional nature goes, you sure do feel better after you get one, yeah?

Hair grows back.

You can have laser hair removal to make it permenant.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
a haircut is going against physical nature. and as far as emotional nature goes, you sure do feel better after you get one, yeah?

Hair grows back.

And yet you keep cutting it, don't you?

a reply to: Abysha

That's why I asked it, as a question, honestly. No need to get defensive. I never claimed to be an expert on the psychology of transgender suicide attempts.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: PolyCottonBlend
a haircut is going against physical nature. and as far as emotional nature goes, you sure do feel better after you get one, yeah?

Hair grows back.

true. but given the argument of the op, you should have never cut it in the first place.

a reply to: face23785

It's more than just liking girly things. It is the inherent "knowing" that you are a girl, and that's why you like girly things. Trans females are as diverse as cis females. Some trans females like motorcycles and building things - and yet, they still "know" they are female.

It's nothing like "my little boy likes Barbie dolls and the color pink so he must be transgender". It's more like "my little boy wants to know when his pee pee is going to fall off so he can be the girl he knows he really is". It is the severe unhappiness that the body does not match what the brain is saying.

Seems to me that people who are born with the body of a male or female and have the thoughts to be of the other gender have some genetic disease. Because obviously a man should have manly desires, and a woman womanly desires.

It is a great tragedy. I think a very hard burden to have. There are other people born with different diseases as well, such as down's syndrome. I feel deeply for both sets of people. It is part of the tragedy of the human race since we inherit imperfection from our forefathers.

I do believe that are a lot of just confused children who are not really born transgender, but perhaps have a strong inclination, or because of cultural influences may for a time think they are, but then don't. I believe this is the majority of the cases. And just for that reason alone, one should just rear the children like they would anyone else.

I am sure the struggle in transgender people is real and lifelong though. And it is tragic.

Scripture tells us that in God's kingdom all illnesses will be done away with. And then these people will be cured. Until then my heart goes out to all those that struggle with this problem.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Well the only way you know something is by learning it through other things. What things lead them to "know" they are a girl? Same answer.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

So if people can't make babies on their own it's a mental illness? I'll send the memo to all barren women and sterile men.

Omfg......... My point was, 2 men cannot make a baby. It takes a male and a female, to make one NATURALLY. Or at the very least, a female egg and an apparatus for it to grow in. Key word is naturally. But if you want to put words in my mouth whatever.

You said this correct?

But I do believe it is a mental illness. It is like trying to plug in an electrical appliance by connect male to male ends, it does not work! It's just nature.

So I didn't put words in your mouth.

Maybe I used the wrong analogy, but I figured people would understand what I meant. So tell me, how does it even imply that people who are unable to have kids are mentally ill? I said trans people are mentally ill.

Then why did you bring up your appliance argument into a physiological discussion?

I was trying to say that some things just don't fit or work. So tell me where the line is drawn? Pedo's are already trying to say their behavior is normal and it's "just who they are". Doesn't there have to be a line drawn somewhere? I just think that blindly accepting certain things may lead to a can of worms that cannot be contained.

I believe in pedophiles when they say "that's just who they are". That doesn't mean there aren't victims and that's what makes it wrong. Serial killers do what they do (usually) because that's just "who they are". Again, victims.

With transsexuals, the victims are them. So the only can of worms being opened are being opened by people like you.

Maybe so. I wont claim to know all of the facts, and I have not had the inclination to further study it because frankly I do not really care what someone does with their own body. I treat trans people no different than anyone else, in the limited experiences I have had. I don't hate these people, far from it. in fact, I feel more comfortable around them than say, a bunch of ex-cons. I am simply saying that "to me" it is a mental health issue.

I don't want to back you into a corner any more than you have been. But... will any of this inspire you to study it and become an informed person on the subject. You know, just in case it comes up again?

WPATH is the authority and science/data curator on just about everything relating to the topic. If you decide to educate yourself on it, that would be the place to start.

On a different note, I am glad you kept participating to this point. Things in the dark are often misunderstood and society likes to keep the science behind this subject rather poorly-lit. Thank you. I mean that.

It isn't that I am backed into a corner, its more like no matter what I say, it doesn't make any sense to some of you. What makes these studies valid? I mean, if a "right" leaning scientist says something, it is bunk, if a left leaning scientist says something, it is to be believe and factually correct? In that case, nobody can claim they are correct because which side is telling the truth, right?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785

It's more than just liking girly things. It is the inherent "knowing" that you are a girl, and that's why you like girly things. Trans females are as diverse as cis females. Some trans females like motorcycles and building things - and yet, they still "know" they are female.

It's nothing like "my little boy likes Barbie dolls and the color pink so he must be transgender". It's more like "my little boy wants to know when his pee pee is going to fall off so he can be the girl he knows he really is". It is the severe unhappiness that the body does not match what the brain is saying.

I second this. My daughter is a total "tomboy" but very much loves being a girl. I would never take her to a doctor for that. However, if she was visibly pained every time I referred to her as a girl and insisted she was a boy? Different story.

Also, you have a large number of transwomen out there who are ex-military. Like, tons. You also have a lot of transmen who like to crochet sit down to pee. When you are socialized as the gender your doctor assigned to you, regardless of your actual gender, you end up picking up some of those interests associated with that assigned gender.

For me, it was MMA. I still love watching me some sweaty men act tough and then kicking them in the face.

a reply to: kaylaluv

There's also girls who wonder why they don't have a penis. It's not necessarily because they were supposed to be a boy. They're just kids and they don't understand gender and that it leads to them having different parts. You don't actually expect children to know anatomy and genetics do you?

a reply to: SaturnFX

QFT


Critical thinking and actual scientific research dictates that you deserve far more stars.

Its clear, at least on this site, that there are some unfortunate like minded individuals who seek not to help, not to understand, but to target and hate, by way of ignorance and malice. The same ilk that poo poo those with schizoprenia and other conditions.

I believe their God said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

I guess they are forgiven, with all of their own imperfection.

In laymens terms: dont pretend like your # dont stink too.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

So if people can't make babies on their own it's a mental illness? I'll send the memo to all barren women and sterile men.

Omfg......... My point was, 2 men cannot make a baby. It takes a male and a female, to make one NATURALLY. Or at the very least, a female egg and an apparatus for it to grow in. Key word is naturally. But if you want to put words in my mouth whatever.

You said this correct?

But I do believe it is a mental illness. It is like trying to plug in an electrical appliance by connect male to male ends, it does not work! It's just nature.

So I didn't put words in your mouth.

Maybe I used the wrong analogy, but I figured people would understand what I meant. So tell me, how does it even imply that people who are unable to have kids are mentally ill? I said trans people are mentally ill.

Then why did you bring up your appliance argument into a physiological discussion?

I was trying to say that some things just don't fit or work. So tell me where the line is drawn? Pedo's are already trying to say their behavior is normal and it's "just who they are". Doesn't there have to be a line drawn somewhere? I just think that blindly accepting certain things may lead to a can of worms that cannot be contained.

I believe in pedophiles when they say "that's just who they are". That doesn't mean there aren't victims and that's what makes it wrong. Serial killers do what they do (usually) because that's just "who they are". Again, victims.

With transsexuals, the victims are them. So the only can of worms being opened are being opened by people like you.

Maybe so. I wont claim to know all of the facts, and I have not had the inclination to further study it because frankly I do not really care what someone does with their own body. I treat trans people no different than anyone else, in the limited experiences I have had. I don't hate these people, far from it. in fact, I feel more comfortable around them than say, a bunch of ex-cons. I am simply saying that "to me" it is a mental health issue.

I don't want to back you into a corner any more than you have been. But... will any of this inspire you to study it and become an informed person on the subject. You know, just in case it comes up again?

WPATH is the authority and science/data curator on just about everything relating to the topic. If you decide to educate yourself on it, that would be the place to start.

On a different note, I am glad you kept participating to this point. Things in the dark are often misunderstood and society likes to keep the science behind this subject rather poorly-lit. Thank you. I mean that.

It isn't that I am backed into a corner, its more like no matter what I say, it doesn't make any sense to some of you. What makes these studies valid? I mean, if a "right" leaning scientist says something, it is bunk, if a left leaning scientist says something, it is to be believe and factually correct? In that case, nobody can claim they are correct because which side is telling the truth, right?

I was offering the olive branch there because I thought maybe you took pause to your own preconceptions.

But to answer your question, it isn't that "right-leaning sources on LGBT topics=bad", it's the "right-leaning sources on LGBT topics=ignore consensus and leave out large parts of cited studies".

In the OP's case, McHugh leaves out the inconvenient parts (like full data on suicide rates, for example). I don't discount him because he's "right-leaning", I discount him because he's not being a scientist nor a doctor on this subject; he's being an ideologue.

In any case, I wish you the best. There's only so far two people can debate something like this if only one of them is looking at all the data.

a reply to: face23785


Their brain leads them to know they are a girl. And because they know they are a girl, they are sometimes attracted to girly things, but sometimes not.

My granddaughter is as girly as they come. She specifically asks for dolls and wants to wear princess dresses. And she has a feminist mother who wasn't going to push dolls and super girly things on her. Didn't matter - she wants them.
When I was a little girl, I wasn't very much interested in dolls, and I have never been into wearing frilly feminine clothes. Dolls were bought for me, but I never was interested in playing with them.

My granddaughter "knows" she is a girl, and I "know" that I am a girl, even though we had different interests as children.

a reply to: face23785

Transgender children don't wonder. They KNOW what gender they are. Big difference.