President Trump Fires James Comey

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xcathdra

That wasn't my point. But DC is also an 'at-will' district and none of the exceptions apply to Comey.

Link

ETA: Comey even stated Trump could fire him for any reason.

The laws of DC do NOT apply. Comey is an employee of the executive branch, is a political appointee with senate confirmation, and serves at the pleasure of the president.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

No darling I'm not missing it. For the third time since you insist constantly that I pay attention to you...

I posted a link to the Wall Street Journal saying otherwise.

www.wsj.com...

Since every statement out of the Whitehouse for the past 48 hours is a lie I'm not inclined to believe the DOJ statement.
That whole group are a bunch of low life liars at this point. Scrambling to keep their jobs and stand behind this boob who likes to throw people under a bus.
He's an embarrassment to the country.

Actually the WSJ article you're linking to says DOJ refuted that report. Not to mention the man himself has been quoted as saying he didn't threaten to quit. STOP SPREADING LIES, FOR THE LAST TIME

a reply to: Xcathdra

A..B...
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a reply to: Xcathdra

people vote for their candidate for a variety of reason, not just intelligence. I have my opinion on why trump won, but i'm not going to share, it wouldn't be nice.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: face23785

I do think trump is THAT stupid. LOL

not having a replacement, shows to me, it was a desperate move by a desperate man. my opinion.

If Trump is as stupid as people claim what does that say about Clinton, who lost to him and Democrats, who lost a lot over the last 8 years.

I might be off topic a bit here, but for the record: You'll get no argument from me about Clinton and dems. I don't care for her one little bit. Happy to say I didn't vote for her and wouldn't under any circumstances. Partial disclosure: As an independent voter (w/the track record to prove it), I did vote for a republican--just not the one in office.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

A..B...
C.

From your own source -

Justice Department spokesman Ian Prior Thursday denied reports that Mr. Rosenstein had threatened to quit over the White House depiction of the events leading up to Mr. Comey’s dismissal.

Next time read your entire source article before making false claims and telling others they are wrong.

a reply to: face23785
She i9s a die hard Clinton cultist and has made it clear in other threads. She believed Clinton would win so go easy on her... She is delicate.

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: knoxie

As dumb as you may think Trump is, even people outside the government know removing Comey wouldn't stop the investigation or effect it in any way. It's just not feasible that Trump nor any of the advisers he spoke to about firing Comey wouldn't realize that. They can't all be that dumb.

Trump says some stupid things but he is either smarter or he lets on or he is really good at listening to the right people.

I don't think Trump is dumb, but I don't think he is very politically-savvy. Perhaps he did not think about the political consequences of firing Comey in this manner, nor how it would look to the public in general.

As it is now, it appears this was "revenge" for not recommending a Clinton indictment or perhaps due to Comey's comment that he was disturbed by the idea his comments may have swayed the election.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So...what you are saying is that Trump can fire him for any reason. Which is what I said.

a reply to: Gin

Anonymous ...
Better source than the Whitehouse where the story changes every time the clock chimes.
Ding....
Ding....

As a side: there are lots of staff in the Whitehouse that were not put there by trump.
He's right that he has a leak.
It's his own roof. Those anonymous sources are real...

a reply to: introvert

There are no political consequences, other than the drama the democrats are creating that will blow up in their faces.

He was within his rights / authority to fire Comey.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xcathdra

So...what you are saying is that Trump can fire him for any reason. Which is what I said.

No thats not what I am saying.. Some federal employees are protected classes. Secondly I was responding to y our comments about state laws and was clarifying for you.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: knoxie

As dumb as you may think Trump is, even people outside the government know removing Comey wouldn't stop the investigation or effect it in any way. It's just not feasible that Trump nor any of the advisers he spoke to about firing Comey wouldn't realize that. They can't all be that dumb.

Trump says some stupid things but he is either smarter or he lets on or he is really good at listening to the right people.

I don't think Trump is dumb, but I don't think he is very politically-savvy. Perhaps he did not think about the political consequences of firing Comey in this manner, nor how it would look to the public in general.

As it is now, it appears this was "revenge" for not recommending a Clinton indictment or perhaps due to Comey's comment that he was disturbed by the idea his comments may have swayed the election.

That's a lot more plausible than he thought it would derail the investigation. But the reasons he stated are still valid and not questioned by anyone on either side of the aisle, so anything else is just speculation and opinion.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Sure but are they credible and whats their motive for the leak?

Something you and Democrats ignore so long as it suits the anti trump agenda.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Gin

Anonymous ...
Better source than the Whitehouse where the story changes every time the clock chimes.
Ding....
Ding....

As a side: there are lots of staff in the Whitehouse that were not put there by trump.
He's right that he has a leak.
It's his own roof. Those anonymous sources are real...

Can you stop lying for one minute? The DOJ spokesman is not The White House. The Deputy AG who refuted this nonsense himself is not The White House. You are spinning yourself stupid with all these lies. You don't belong on this forum if you are just going to knowingly spread lies that have been proven false.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Xcathdra

So...what you are saying is that Trump can fire him for any reason. Which is what I said.

No thats not what I am saying.. Some federal employees are protected classes. Secondly I was responding to y our comments about state laws and was clarifying for you.

You wrote: "No reason nor cause is needed to fire the FBI director." One page back.

I brought up the state laws because in 49 states, you can be fired for no reason or cause. So I said if that is good enough for the people, why should Comey be an exception (not to the laws of 49 states he doesn't live in, obviously. But to the rules under which he was hired.)

You weren't clarifying anything I wrote, you just missed my point.

Moving on.

a reply to: introvert

It doesn't matter why President Trump fired him, as far as the underlying details go. Trump said he wasn't doing a good job. That's how Trump saw it and once he made the decision, he did it without all the waffling and hesitation.

I really don't think Trump worries so much about so-called 'optics'. Heck! He met with the Russian ambassador and Russian Foreign Minister the next day! Optics be damned.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: face23785

It would have leaked... Just like any evidence of collusion would have leaked.

If I had to put my finger on it, this is probably one of the biggest sticking points for me on these threads.
Purely opinion, but I'm just not convinced that any evidence would have necessarily leaked.
Maybe I'm just being naive in my faith in the FBI and the IC in general, but the nature of the evidence just has such explosive potential... Not saying there's a smoking gun by any means. My guess is that if there's anything at all, it's one giant puzzle, and they have to connect the dots one painful point at a time. Take the whole FISA warrant thing with Page. I know I keep going back to that, but if they got that renewed multiple times, imagine the amount of data they have to crunch now--new characters to look into, etc.

a reply to: Xcathdra

There are no political consequences, other than the drama the democrats are creating that will blow up in their faces.

I know you don't care what the Democrats think and frankly...neither do I. That being said, there are political consequences to consider when you are at that level of national politics. Even the slightest misstep can make or break a political career.

Even to someone such as myself that is neither a Dem or a Rep, this firing throws-up red flags. Comey was a man of integrity that did his job very well, without political motivation. Both the Dems and the Reps have taken their turn at bashing the man for his actions during the Clinton email issue and the Russia investigation. Both sides have been found to be hypocrites.

He was within his rights / authority to fire Comey.

Of course he has the authority. Real question is: Did he have a damn good reason to do so?

Just because he can, does not mean he should.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: knoxie

As dumb as you may think Trump is, even people outside the government know removing Comey wouldn't stop the investigation or effect it in any way. It's just not feasible that Trump nor any of the advisers he spoke to about firing Comey wouldn't realize that. They can't all be that dumb.

Trump says some stupid things but he is either smarter or he lets on or he is really good at listening to the right people.

I don't think Trump is dumb, but I don't think he is very politically-savvy. Perhaps he did not think about the political consequences of firing Comey in this manner, nor how it would look to the public in general.

As it is now, it appears this was "revenge" for not recommending a Clinton indictment or perhaps due to Comey's comment that he was disturbed by the idea his comments may have swayed the election.

He wasn't elected for being politically savvy.

Pretty much the opposite, I'd say.

And again, it doesn't matter why he was fired. Trump could fire him for the stupid socks he wears.

Deputy AG gave a recommendation on why he himself would fire him and Trump said ok.

a reply to: face23785

Of course it's speculation. We are not in a position to know absolutely and we cannot trust what we are being told.

Regardless, it is my personal opinion that a good man was fired for doing his job and he was put in a very tough spot in which he had no way out of.