Ufos, Aliens, Space Conspiracies, etc VS "The Firmament" and not getting beyond low earth orbit.

a reply to: JerseyGuy
S+F !!!

The issue here is that you can't have them both. You either believe in Ufos, Aliens, Space Conspiracies, etc or... you believe in a firmament and that we have never even been to space. No satellites get past low earth orbit and nothing comes and goes from earth.

So instead of embracing the sci-fi drivel that was fed to us for decades isn't possible that a small Dyson sphere is the end of our tiny universe and there is another race/spieces on earth that control and patrol our little planet with vessels that for lack of a better word are called UFO's.

For those that can see there are many indicators that this is indeed the case. The next level is not travelling to the stars but seeing the real universe and meeting the beings that are assigned as our protectors/masters by the real E.T's a long time ago. If enough people will join the quest for truth the veil will be lifted and it all will become clear.

Greetings

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Wouldn't China and Russia/Soviet Union love to discredit the US?

Mixing levels of information together gathered by media that some might call fake.
Meaning : Russia and US already work together on several scientific projects.Discretiting is done on a political not on a scientific level.

in my opinion, you should research on interdimensional travel, and the power of consciousness, for me it is the only thing that can explain everything, well that and the one where we live in an electric universe..... but i dont like that one

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: JerseyGuy
So basically the opinion of everyone who has replied so far is to disregard anything related to a firmament. There is no possibility of it. Also, that the mention of it in the Bible is to be ignored as well. Is that correct?

Just because something is written in the bible doesn't make it correct... said book is not the end all, be all of knowledge...

Keep in mind the same book says the moon emits its own light... which is just wrong

Not to mention our entire species came from two people.... wrong..

Global flood... never happened....

etc etc...

Actually there has been evidence of a global flood.

originally posted by: Charlyboy
a reply to: Badams

Well no matter what you believe in I can guarantee you that both you and I will have the answer to that question one day

One thing we all have in common.

LOL, no you can't guarantee that. You hope for it. And so do I. But please explain how you think you can guarantee it?

originally posted by: Saibotkram1988

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: JerseyGuy
So basically the opinion of everyone who has replied so far is to disregard anything related to a firmament. There is no possibility of it. Also, that the mention of it in the Bible is to be ignored as well. Is that correct?

Just because something is written in the bible doesn't make it correct... said book is not the end all, be all of knowledge...

Keep in mind the same book says the moon emits its own light... which is just wrong

Not to mention our entire species came from two people.... wrong..

Global flood... never happened....

etc etc...

Actually there has been evidence of a global flood.

Yeah... Ken Ham has plenty

Yeah... Ken Ham has plenty


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a reply to: Geki09

Funny you should say "If you believe in say the God of the OT or the NT, you need to believe it the whole story, not just what you want to cherry pick"

Isn't cherry picking exactly how our current biblical texts are in form? The selected stories, prophesies and records of bygone days, chosen for their political and spiritual relevance by those in a position to do so. There are many excluded, forgotten, or re-written texts that would slip in easily to the Torah, Bible or Koran, and by extension many other spiritual teachings.

Maybe 'God' works in mysterious ways...I wonder if a typo caused by modern printing presses might get passed down through the ages, and if that could be considered the 'Word'

The greatest gift given to us as a species is our amazing intellect and ability to think critically. Our biggest downfall is being told what to believe and do, without question. Free will is definately a blessing and a curse.

originally posted by: Charlyboy
a reply to: JerseyGuy

Thank you for that! I guess my whole post is about me being confused now.

Mate if you're not confused you're not doing it properly

So much truth is spoken in jest.

a reply to: frenchfries

So the scientists have the politicians buffaloed too?

a reply to: JerseyGuy

www.popsci.com...

a reply to: SolAquarius

i coundt have said it better

originally posted by: JerseyGuy


So, which direction would you focus on? Aliens, visitations, space exploration or.. no space at all?

You should focus on the agenda of the visitors, specially the hybrids related programs, the infiltration and the Earth powers position on the matter, for instance, what's the US government doing regarding the infiltration? etc, without any doubt.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: JerseyGuy


So, which direction would you focus on? Aliens, visitations, space exploration or.. no space at all?

You should focus on the agenda of the visitors, specially the hybrids related programs, the infiltration and the Earth powers position on the matter, for instance, what's the US government doing regarding the infiltration? etc, without any doubt.

Thanks! Definitely an interesting topic to me. I shall explore it more.

I smile when people use the bible as a scientific material.
Fairy tales from a bronze age middle eastern culture is not the best base for scientific reasoning.

The ancient people may have just wondered where all the water came from when the great flood happened, which it did and has many times. They were confused just like the moon emitting its own light. They most likely didn't know about all the ice at the poles. They were wondering were all that water came from and looked to the heavens.a reply to: JerseyGuy

a reply to: Saibotkram1988

That was in reply to one of my earlier comments. He's reffering to the fact everyone will die. At the point of death, everyne will know what happens, untill then, we can purely speculate. So to answer your question, Charlyboy can guarentee it because everyone dies, unless you have some sore of immotality type thing going on... In which case, please elaborate.

a reply to: JerseyGuy

I'm New to ATS as well not long enough to start threads but you should look into the hollow earth theory. read bibliotecapleyades.net and check out truthcontrol.com I think the alien rout is the correct way to go. no firmament.