Christians have a **duty** to deny ***Refuge*** to evil people who refuse to change.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: TzarChasm

You atheists, always so interested in other people's money.

That's funny because I'm pretty sure it's the Church who wants everyone to give up their money to the Church.

Where are the Atheists asking for Donations???

I think the church is teaching giving money will earn you favours and blessings from God
Its a sad fact that some in the church are terrible people.
Justifying some of the comments by the op

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: TzarChasm

You atheists, always so interested in other people's money.

That's funny because I'm pretty sure it's the Church who wants everyone to give up their money to the Church.

Where are the Atheists asking for Donations???

I think the church is teaching giving money will earn you favours and blessings from God
Its a sad fact that some in the church are terrible people.
Justifying some of the comments by the op

I have never understood this bizarre practice. People will walk right past a hungry homeless person with a sign asking for pocket change and say they're just scamming for easy cash...yet those same people have zero problem giving 10% of their gross family income over to an alleged omnipotent being whom no one has ever seen, who requires bribe money for some reason in order to get favors; doing so through a self-proclaimed holy proxy via an oversize dinner plate.

That simply boggles the mind. Why has no one ever asked the simple question...wtf could an omnipotent light being possibly need money for??? Critical thinking apparently doesn't factor in here. I can tell you for a fact that a certain church in the sleepy little town of Pascagoula used the Lord's bribe money to pay for a mini-mansion and a shiny black Cadillac for the pastor and his family. But I can't seem to find one passage in the Bible that says as long as the preacher has plenty of unnecessary perks, god will make sure everyone's prayers are answered.

I asked my mother that question once. I got a good, solid smack in the mouth, but never got an answer to my query.

a reply to: johndeere2020

I don't know about religion, but I have no desire to assimilate people who don't share basic human rights beliefs with their host Countries. They can stay in their hellholes rather than coming into my country.I don't feel one bit bad about that.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: TzarChasm

You atheists, always so interested in other people's money.

That's funny because I'm pretty sure it's the Church who wants everyone to give up their money to the Church.

Where are the Atheists asking for Donations???

I think the church is teaching giving money will earn you favours and blessings from God
Its a sad fact that some in the church are terrible people.
Justifying some of the comments by the op

I have never understood this bizarre practice. People will walk right past a hungry homeless person with a sign asking for pocket change and say they're just scamming for easy cash...yet those same people have zero problem giving 10% of their gross family income over to an alleged omnipotent being whom no one has ever seen, who requires bribe money for some reason in order to get favors; doing so through a self-proclaimed holy proxy via an oversize dinner plate.

That simply boggles the mind. Why has no one ever asked the simple question...wtf could an omnipotent light being possibly need money for??? Critical thinking apparently doesn't factor in here. I can tell you for a fact that a certain church in the sleepy little town of Pascagoula used the Lord's bribe money to pay for a mini-mansion and a shiny black Cadillac for the pastor and his family. But I can't seem to find one passage in the Bible that says as long as the preacher has plenty of unnecessary perks, god will make sure everyone's prayers are answered.

I asked my mother that question once. I got a good, solid smack in the mouth, but never got an answer to my query.

The scary thing is Jesus taught us to love, feed and clothe the person who needs help
The other scary thing is that many people don't see what those with a conscience actually do with the money
We are not all the same

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: TzarChasm

You atheists, always so interested in other people's money.

That's funny because I'm pretty sure it's the Church who wants everyone to give up their money to the Church.

Where are the Atheists asking for Donations???

Any church who concentrates on donations to it isnt a good church. Because as christians we are not required to tithe in truth under the NT. Now we can be charitable but we are not to be so much so that we go broke ourselves and become a burden as well.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Tithing is a Scam for the most part because we arent under Hebrew law/ot. It shows you how stupid and truly sheep like people are.

God dont need th emoney. you dont have to give the first 10 percent. Its symbolic to God and thats it. You can give to others without giving money. You can give money but you are not required to go into the poor house either.

All money gotten this way should be regulated by the states to keep churches honest.

a reply to: johndeere2020

I'm sure TED talks are on John's naughty list too

Why the only future worth building includes everyone

"Let us help each other, all together, to remember that the 'other' is not a statistic, or a number," he says. "We all need each other."

As I meet, or lend an ear to those who are sick, to the migrants who face terrible hardships in search of a brighter future, to prison inmates who carry a hell of pain inside their hearts, and to those, many of them young, who cannot find a job, I often find myself wondering: "Why them and not me?" I, myself, was born in a family of migrants; my father, my grandparents, like many other Italians, left for Argentina and met the fate of those who are left with nothing. I could have very well ended up among today's "discarded" people. And that's why I always ask myself, deep in my heart: "Why them and not me?"

First and foremost, I would love it if this meeting could help to remind us that we all need each other, none of us is an island, an autonomous and independent "I," separated from the other, and we can only build the future by standing together, including everyone. We don’t think about it often, but everything is connected, and we need to restore our connections to a healthy state. Even the harsh judgment I hold in my heart against my brother or my sister, the open wound that was never cured, the offense that was never forgiven, the rancor that is only going to hurt me, are all instances of a fight that I carry within me, a flare deep in my heart that needs to be extinguished before it goes up in flames, leaving only ashes behind.

Sounds like a Christian to me :-)

But what would I know about that?

The only thing about this thread that makes me feel good is that you're getting (almost) zero support

originally posted by: buster2010
Thankfully America isn't run by religious dogma. If you are Christian and think it's your "duty" to deny aid to these people then by all means don't invite them into your home.

To be fair, I would rather be homeless than "live," (if you'd call it that) under the rule of a God-fearing family.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: buster2010
Thankfully America isn't run by religious dogma. If you are Christian and think it's your "duty" to deny aid to these people then by all means don't invite them into your home.

To be fair, I would rather be homeless than "live," (if you'd call it that) under the rule of a God-fearing family.

And I, in a disfuctional atheist family, funny that...

originally posted by: MoreInterior
a reply to: TzarChasm

You atheists, always so interested in other people's money.

nothing to do with atheism so you can relax with that label stuff. i just think its funny that god always needs more money to pay bills and expand properties and businesses but never has to pay taxes in spite of raking in millions annually. seed donation programs, stadium gospel shows and the like. paying your way into the good graces of a benevolent higher power. none of that has anything to do with spirituality. cant feed the starving or house the homeless or give medicine to the sick or educate the ignorant despite the biggest church in the world being its own damn country worth billions on paper and trillions in assets all just sitting there looking pretty and being completely useless to the people who put their faith in it. faith is the only currency they have left and its about as valuable as bottle caps.

a reply to: yuppa

All money gotten this way should be regulated by the states to keep churches honest.

That sounds down right socialistic. Why not just let the state determine what the official religion should be.

originally posted by: johndeere2020
Christians have a **duty** to deny ***Refuge*** to evil people who refuse to change.

So, what you are saying is that you have no clue what Jesus or his 'Xtianity', is all about.
If you are ignorant of Jesus and his teachings, why are you speaking from that ignorance?
Your entire topic and post scream that you are no Xtian (as Jesus defined his followers)!
You are being vainly, Pridefully, judgmental and hateful, the exact opposite of the unconditional Love which sets you 'free' from that sin!
The exact opposite of the qualities of unconditional Love by which he would recognize his followers!

Bigoted, judgmental, hypocritical, hateful... yup, a 'Xtian' alright...

a reply to: TzarChasm

I was rooting for Enoch,but I 'm no Bible scholar.

a reply to: namelesss

you can love your enemy while killing them if you have to defend yourself.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: johndeere2020

So much for the parable of the Good Samaritan, or not throwing the first stone.

Well you got to look at what you just said.....the GS helped the victim and John said nothing here about stoning anyone. Why don't you go down to the overpass and take a homeless person into your home and see what you get.

a reply to: namelesss

Jesus never preached unconditional love. Never an unconditional anything. Folks had to repent, thats what He said.

a reply to: Logarock

Over the past 25 years my wife and I have allowed 6 different homeless people to stay in our home for various times. We've also allowed three different family members to reside with us when they were in bad places. I believe in helping people, my entire life revolves around it. To try to justify hateful bs in the name of religion is what has those poor people in those horrible positions to begin with.

a reply to: johndeere2020

Excellent point. Very true, too. Welcoming in people who do evil is counter to what God tells us to do, and far too many use "Christian charity" as an excuse to shelter criminals.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: yuppa

All money gotten this way should be regulated by the states to keep churches honest.

That sounds down right socialistic. Why not just let the state determine what the official religion should be.

CHurches need to be regulated just for DOnations only. not anything else.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: namelesss

Jesus never preached unconditional love. Never an unconditional anything. Folks had to repent, thats what He said.

Never read the book, or never understood it?