schools must allow for minority students to speak in ebonics

a reply to: Kali74

This thread is a way for them to bash africqn americansn general, much less their use of local dialects.

let them have their cake.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: Kali74

This thread is a way for them to bash africqn americansn general, much less their use of local dialects.

let them have their cake.

I agree , while the subject matter is legit, some members do get a chance to poke African Americans in general in the eye with pleasure.

I'm white. I have a 40 year old daughter who is mixed race. And, mixed culture. All her life, when she's been around me or my wife she has spoken perfect English. But when she gets together with a group of her black/mixed friends she speaks perfect Jive (think Airplane). She can flip either way like a light switch. It's always amazed me.

a reply to: crazyewok

This is eveidnece which contributes to proof that the supporters and enablers of mass migration from the 2nd and 3rd world into the 1st world will be encouraged to maintain their identify, customs and traditions in western countries.

In other words if not reamining indepednant of the existing people, it indicates that they will be encouraged to consider themselves at least equal to and likely, superior to the existing population, culture and customs.

The supporters and enablers of this mass migration, IMO, intend the local existing popultion to be subjected if not evicted from the country concerned, certainly bred out in the longer term.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: zosimov

Sorry no.


Speak whatever mumbo jumbo you want with friends and family I dont care.

But at school and in work you speak correct English.

I as a teacher am certainly not going to learn gibberjabber talk, I have neither the time, patience or cares, plus I am already learning the secound language of Spanish, a REAL language that civilised people speak.

Would you denounce a student with a speech impediment? Does that qualify as "jibber-jabber"? What about a thick accent from a kid whose first language is not English? Would you make them also bow to your lofty demands that you're students only speak perfect, clear English?

Ebonics, just like any other form of language, is learned from infancy. School kids speak the way they are spoken to at home. This is why different children have different accents and inflections and are not like programmed automatons who all sound exactly the same.

Language is a learned behavior, and the amount of time children spend at home with their families is far greater than the time they spend at school, with far more verbal interaction. It is ridiculous to demand that all children speak precisely the same, with perfect enunciation when out of a twenty-four hour period five days a week, they're only spending six hours of it within a classroom environment.

Your OP was written to invite mockery and ridicule of a very specific racial demographic, but the pompous bluster overshadows a very disturbing picture. I personally think you're just talking smack and wouldn't dare treat a student that way in real life, but it's unsettling to think that people who have such a judgmental, derisive attitude toward certain groups of children is in possession of a teaching license. That type of mentality is what monsters are made of.

a reply to: crazyewok

Um... no.

Unless the class itself revolves around that particular dialect, that is not appropriate. If the class is about English language, even the bastard, artless, witless variant spoken in the USA, then pronouncing words with letters missing from ones oral delivery, or using the incorrect word in place of the correct one, urbanising the language so to speak, is not appropriate.

There would be nothing wrong with having another class to cover Ebonics I suppose, but the reality is that you should not be permitted to pass an English language class unless you can speak, read, and write in perfect English.

originally posted by: crazyewok

An undergrad researcher at the University of Wisconsin-Madison has entered the public limelight with research indicating that standard English is “oppressive” to minorities, essentially stating that grammatically correct speech is too hard for them to learn.

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I am sorry but NO!

Ebonics is NOT a language! Its just a bunch of jumbled nonsense because certain people are to stupid and lazy to speak correct English.


I refuse to accept it as a language.

I am a teacher myself now and I refuse and will continue to refuse it in my class room, giving any work written in such crap a big FAIL.

When I ran my own buisness I would bin any CV's written in ebonics without even reading past the first sentence.

Also is not the premises itself racist in itself? Are the left saying blacks are not capable of speaking correctly?

They aren't speaking ebonics, thry are speaking Black English Venacular (BEV) *spell check?*. BEV is a language seperate from English with its own set of gramatical constants and syntax through and through. Some argue that it is a dialect, but it truly is a language by all accountable measures.

It's roots come from West Africa, and it has flourished in the United States as one of the many languages of our land. I am not some backwards racist liberal who is issuing some snowflake plea to pamper the babies. No, I'm pretty conservative. If schools want to require one to speak English, then fine, but let's call it what it is. BEV is NOT just some dumb person butchering the English language. It IS it's own language.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Yo ebonix can be used ta he`p teach proper cracker ass english just like mammy. Yo nahh different than teaching kids who speak another language what 'chew trippin foo'

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist
A language that is not spoken here. How will this help these children become productive members of a community? How will this help any of these children better themselves in life?

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

No matter what you call it, it has no place in a class room whose purpose is instruction in the workings of the English language.

As I said in my previous post, a separate class may have to be made room for on the curriculum, in order that the BEV you speak of can be studied with as much rigor, but BEV or Ebonics or whatever its called this month, should not be taught as part of the English language, nor work completed in those vernaculars be accepted in a strictly English language class.

originally posted by: mikell
Born and raised in the USA I think they can do English a whole lot better than many people think they can. That said if they want to be held down for the rest their lives let them speak it.

Embracing victim-hood and using the resulting feelings of failure and depression as an excuse to not even try to improve yourself and the circumstances of your life IS the reason anybody at rock bottom will not improve their situation and doom themselves to a cycle of unfulfilment and dissatisfaction. It really is sad that children like this lack the role models to encourage them to improve their lives.

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist
A language that is not spoken here. How will this help these children become productive members of a community? How will this help any of these children better themselves in life?

The disadvantage is for learning english. If im going to teach someone who speaks German the english language it helps if i speak German. Teachers recognizing that students learned different dialects helps in explaining english to them. Schools do the same thing when teaching english to spanish students. However blacks from certain communities dont get that assistance making it harder for them to understand.

If teachers at least understood what ebonics they could use that as the basis for teaching english. But id also like to point out not alot of people speak ebonics and most people speaking slang are aware its not proper english.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

No matter what you call it, it has no place in a class room whose purpose is instruction in the workings of the English language.

As I said in my previous post, a separate class may have to be made room for on the curriculum, in order that the BEV you speak of can be studied with as much rigor, but BEV or Ebonics or whatever its called this month, should not be taught as part of the English language, nor work completed in those vernaculars be accepted in a strictly English language class.

Who are you to decide the way you speak is preferential to the way another does? For example the impression in the north is southerners are stupid because the way they talk. Because you learned a local dialect doesn't mean you're any less capable.

PS i see many here using this as an excuse to put down the black community. When i see statements like they dont want to better themselves etc. That is the exact problem we face when it comes to them learning english. Because the way they learned to talk people think they are stupid trust me people in the UK think the same thing when they hear americans speak.

a reply to: Martin75

We do not have an official language.

For anybody who has lived under a rock for the last 10 years, and who is not aware of the term Social Justice: have a good read through this thread. You will see a clear example of why a once civilised society should never have allowed the above term to go mainstream. (Don't worry about its definition, that is the least important aspect of the exercise).

Does no one find this thread amusing after reading the AP transcript of their interview with Trump? I'm not so sure being well spoken is a requirement of success anymore.

originally posted by: Kali74
Does no one find this thread amusing after reading the AP transcript of their interview with Trump? I'm not so sure being well spoken is a requirement if success anymore.

About as amusing as those trying to make the thread into an issue of race.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: filthyphilanthropist
A language that is not spoken here. How will this help these children become productive members of a community? How will this help any of these children better themselves in life?

The disadvantage is for learning english. If im going to teach someone who speaks German the english language it helps if i speak German. Teachers recognizing that students learned different dialects helps in explaining english to them. Schools do the same thing when teaching english to spanish students. However blacks from certain communities dont get that assistance making it harder for them to understand.

If teachers at least understood what ebonics they could use that as the basis for teaching english. But id also like to point out not alot of people speak ebonics and most people speaking slang are aware its not proper english.

I would have no problem with a teacher using Ebonics in her class to teach the proper way to speak. I have a problem with them allowing them to speak in gibberish instead of teaching them the proper way. That is why they go to school to learn!
So if kids starting school can't count, we shouldn't teach them how to count? We should let them make up their own numbers? Because that is what Ebonics is doing.

a reply to: crazyewok

Give me a #ing break!! Why should we cater to them again? I am so sick of this, we have given blacks, other minorities, and illegals,way too much #! Enough is enough! They are not oppressed, they are no longer slaves, you all need to get over this BS!! This is yet another con an scheme for them to get what they want and they are playing you bleeding heart liberals like a fiddle, ignore it!! Ugh!!

a reply to: dragonridr

My way of speaking is not an issue. The issue here is the name of the class being taught.

The name of the class is English. It is not "English, and its many regional dialects, internationally influenced and race specific subdivisions, slang variants and other connected languages, cants, and vernaculars".

For example, there are no kids in, say for instance, Texas or Kentucky, getting good scores in English by substituting the word "for" with the drawl "fer". Children in Glasgow, Scotland, are not being given A* marks, because they replace "do not" with "dinnae".

For the same reason, using anything but the English language in an English language class, is nothing more than a total failure to engage with the material. Since all government documentation, all work related documentation, all tax forms, voting forms, all the paperwork a person requires in order to be able to move through the world with a measure of understanding of what they are doing, is published in ENGLISH, not variants thereof, it will be necessary for everyone being educated in the system, to be capable of speaking the language the system is accustomed to, not the other way around.

Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with teaching these variant forms of English in a separate setting, but the whole idea of teaching standard English to people is so that they all learn THE SAME DAMNED VERSION, SO THAT THEY CAN COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER! If the right answer for one person is the wrong answer for another, then something has gone fantastically, stupendously, and utterly wrong with the concept of education.