Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Consequences.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So you are saying that those things are not consequences?

Sorry, you don't get to own language and dictate meanings.

Sure, you never said it in those exacts words. That is how you always try to wiggle out of the claims that turn out to be wrong. Doesn't mean that your claims don't mean the same thing.

Stephen Colbert's performance art about the written word, and the spoken word, and Bill O'Reilly who is also busted.

The difference is: EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S A COMEDIAN!!! AND HE'S FUNNY!
Jones is never funny. He is dismal. Demoralizing, paranoid, doomporn incarnate.
O'Reilly is an assertive snob and verbally violent.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: daskakik

That isn't the case, and I've already explained why many times. It would be pointless to go back and argue it again. The point is, I never claimed what you said I claimed.

Dude. You lost this round.

Debating with articulate writers about the power of the written word, and also with social scientists who have data proving the opposite, trying to make yourself believe "sticks and stones" is true, is tantamount to arguing that Santa Claus IS TOO! real!. Words cause people to break their own bones and end their own lives and the lives and bones of others. It's an antiquated theory.

Past. Done. We know better. There is no more arguing for it, you see? No. Just no.
Makes me wonder what led to your obsession with it. But, that is all.Pl

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Being academically correct won't save you from a freshly opened can of whoopass.

This is pure myrrh.

daskakik said:

...the OP has made threads on the topic before and I participated in some so I didn't even really bother with fully reading the OP.

The basic idea is "you are wrong if you hit me for what I say."

I argued in one of the other threads "They should have expected it".

Similar to what you are saying.

If you provoke someone and you know some people don't agree with the no hitting policy then how could you not be expecting it?

If we set aside all the pseudo-philosophic crap aside, sometimes it isn't just expected it but they are counting on it.

He's a french model. She met him on the internet.
They can't put it on the internet if it isn't true.

She read that on the internet.

originally posted by: daskakik
I have followed your participation in the thread. It didn't need clearing up.

You were the one asking that I explain my posts. I was clarifying that it was an offshoot regarding the phrase "words have power" because the OP insists in saying that it means people are attributing supernatural power to words.

It got jumbled with people having power over others and you jumped in there, somewhere, and said that people have the power to act or not to act. I think we all agree but that wasn't what was being discussed.

You know what? The problem is me. Guilty as charged. I'll stop responding in this thread (or at least stop replying to you in it). Good luck on your quest for knowledge and future endeavours. Hope everyone in this thread has learned something valuable or those that haven't still can. It's an important topic.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

Whatever you feel is best for you.

I'm pretty much done with the thread as well. It's at the point where OP says he is misunderstood. Someone asks that he clarify and then he repeats things just as everyone understood them but disagreed and argued against and OP acts like no valid arguments have been made in the past 30+ pages.

Some time later he starts a thread with the same basic topic so we can rinse and repeat.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Lost what? Your only argument, like all the rest, is that I'm wrong. You have nothing but your dogmas to back up your claims.

The liars and relativists in this thread can only report their feelings. That is not a win by any means.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Dark Ghost

Whatever you feel is best for you.

I'm pretty much done with the thread as well. It's at the point where OP says he is misunderstood. Someone asks that he clarify and then he repeats things just as everyone understood them but disagreed and argued against and OP acts like no valid arguments have been made in the past 30+ pages.

Some time later he starts a thread with the same basic topic so we can rinse and repeat.

Yes your lies are cemented in this thread for all others to see.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Your opinion is duly noted.

I would not have bothered putting my thoughts here if people's opinions bothered me.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
You have nothing but your dogmas to back up your claims.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
You have nothing but your dogmas to back up your claims.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

Not an argument, which is the going rate for your posts.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost

originally posted by: daskakik
I have followed your participation in the thread. It didn't need clearing up.

You were the one asking that I explain my posts. I was clarifying that it was an offshoot regarding the phrase "words have power" because the OP insists in saying that it means people are attributing supernatural power to words.

It got jumbled with people having power over others and you jumped in there, somewhere, and said that people have the power to act or not to act. I think we all agree but that wasn't what was being discussed.

You know what? The problem is me. Guilty as charged. I'll stop responding in this thread (or at least stop replying to you in it). Good luck on your quest for knowledge and future endeavours. Hope everyone in this thread has learned something valuable or those that haven't still can. It's an important topic.

If you are trying to exhibit how much words can hurt and are mightier than the sword, I will say "well done."

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Not an argument, which is the going rate for your posts.

No, the argument is in the obvious dogma that you exhibit throughout the thread.

You might not even see it but it is there.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from its consequences. The ideal of freedom of speech is one well worth defending but it can only be guaranteed in a perfect world and sadly, as we have seen throughout 2014 and in the early days of 2015, our world is far from perfect.Writers and artists should be able to express themselves provocatively, but what they will provoke is impossible to know.The heinous attacks and murders in Paris are the responsibility of the killers alone. Freedom of speech, however, is upheld by certain rules and laws in our society and governments and there is always going to be a minority who refuse to play by the rules. This reality means that merely having a public profile and expressing views on contentious issues can put one at risk.

a reply to: Vicky123

Why don't you believe in free speech?

Freedom of speech exists only when dealing with mundane topics.