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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
Is there anyways these foster parents can sue on the grounds a government agency attempted to force them to indoctrinate these children into a religious belief, therefore violating separation of church and state?? Maybe that is not a thing in Canada, who knows.
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
What did these foster parents have to lose by not telling these children the Easter bunny was fake?
I'm on the fence here because sure, nobody is required to believe in the Easter bunny and deep down I'm sure most kids know it's not real. But why take that away from a child? What harm is it too believe in this?
I think that these parents are not guilty of exposing the truth about Easter and bunnies, I think they are guilty of manipulation children's minds to align with their own thinking and beliefs.
It's Grey but I take it personally. I believe in conspiracies. I believe that governments are a fraud. I would NEVER tell my children my beliefs on those those issues or any issue that is up to them to decide how they want to see the world.
originally posted by: anotheramethyst
a reply to: trollz
Normally I'd agree, but they're not parents, not adopted parents, they're FOSTER parents. Most kids in foster homes are there temporarily until their parents comply with whatever requirements prove they're worthy to get them back. They should be providing them a stable home environment WITHOUT trying to change long-held beliefs, religious viewpoints, or political opinions. It's more a matter of respect. Here in Illinois you can get your kids taken away for tons of minor violations. I know a girl who lost her kids because one repeatedly had seizures. The seizures caused bruises. So she lost her child even though the condition was well-documented and she had brought the girl to the hospital every day for a month. She's working to get the girl back right now, and she will (but the girl's condition has deteriorated under foster care). My point is the whole easter bunny/ Santa Claus thing is up to her real parents, or her adopted parents in the future. Her foster parents did overstep their bounds.
originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I think that these parents are not guilty of exposing the truth about Easter and bunnies, I think they are guilty of manipulation children's minds to align with their own thinking and beliefs.
No ....that's what people are doing by indoctrinating their children into a religion and tricking them into believing in things that DONT EXSIST. Do you really not see the irony in what you said?
The couple, who are devout Christians, told the agency that they “do not endorse Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny as they do not wish to lie to children.” They had noted that they don’t celebrate Halloween before they were approved as foster parents.
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
What did these foster parents have to lose by not telling these children the Easter bunny was fake?
I'm on the fence here because sure, nobody is required to believe in the Easter bunny and deep down I'm sure most kids know it's not real. But why take that away from a child? What harm is it too believe in this?
I think that these parents are not guilty of exposing the truth about Easter and bunnies, I think they are guilty of manipulation children's minds to align with their own thinking and beliefs.
It's Grey but I take it personally. I believe in conspiracies. I believe that governments are a fraud. I would NEVER tell my children my beliefs on those those issues or any issue that is up to them to decide how they want to see the world.
There is a big difference in letting people decide for themself, and telling them a lie, dont you think?
What exactly are you taking away from a child by telling them the truth? What harm is there to tell the truth? you can still have fun and follow tradions, even if you know the easter bunny isnt real!
You make it sound like all fun in the world will dissapear if kids now the truth
You wont tell you children your believes, but does that mean you lie to them? make a dreamworld for them to live in? or do you give knowledge (truth) to make up their own mind about how they see the world?
originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: MALBOSIA
your a nanny state idiot. Probably chugging down a welfare check and too scared to step out of line yourself.
All my children have been explained that very bad humans are the true rulers of the Earth, and their goals are to force innocent people to believe in as many lies as possible from a young age in order to condition their minds to be gullible unthinking adults who refuse to challenge questionable narratives that result in very bad policies which cause human suffering. Therefore, it is imperative for them, as children to break that cycle by thinking critically and question everything told to them, especially if threatened with retaliation for refusing to accept given narrative.
Conditioning starts by forcing children to believe lies (fairy tales and personified animals in cartoons) so that they never use their mind to think and question the facts given to them, especially if they sound wholly unrealistic.
Is there anyways these foster parents can sue on the grounds a government agency attempted to force them to indoctrinate these children into a religious belief, therefore violating separation of church and state?? Maybe that is not a thing in Canada, who knows.
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
What I said is that kids have strong imaginations that parents join them in a couple times a year. It has nothing to do with religion for most. Kids don't have the chips on their shoulders that some have grown to have that believe they were "indoctrined" into painting some Frickin eggs and go on a treasure hunt.
Did those colorful eggs hurt you and make you less equipped to deal with reality? Sorry you took it so hard.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
What I said is that kids have strong imaginations that parents join them in a couple times a year. It has nothing to do with religion for most. Kids don't have the chips on their shoulders that some have grown to have that believe they were "indoctrined" into painting some Frickin eggs and go on a treasure hunt.
Did those colorful eggs hurt you and make you less equipped to deal with reality? Sorry you took it so hard.
I agree. If you took the magic fading too hard, that's on you. My brothers and I outgrew the little kid characters of Santa, the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy just fine. When everybody still gave a crap about Easter enough to still celebrate when we were adults, my older brother loved hiding those plastic eggs all over his house for us & his wife to find. Filled with candies? Sure, the oddball special-order kind, but it was appreciated. Others had small, meaningful trinkets in them, or in the case of a few years, lost jewelry that was found or new jewelry to replace lost stuff. Little notes of appreciation, funny references to events we'd forgotten about, etc. You don't have to put mindless materialistic stuff in all of them, think bigger.
FFS, it didn't leave us damaged at all. It breathed a new kind of tradition that was really sweet for adult siblings to share.
I think they are guilty of manipulation children's minds to align with their own thinking and beliefs.
originally posted by: Quantumgamer1776
a reply to: MALBOSIA
No..... what you said was this:
I think they are guilty of manipulation children's minds to align with their own thinking and beliefs.
Word for word that's what you said, and that's not true. All they did is tell those kids the TRUTH, there is no Easter bunny, telling kid there IS an Easter bunny is a LIE. No way around it no matter how you want to justify it, there is no Easter bunny, attempting to convince your children that there is an Easter bunny is lying.
You don't need to lie to them with outdated (religious based) stories to retain their imagination, they will still have an imagination without that pointless crap.
originally posted by: whyamIhere
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