Isaiah scroll found 70 yrs ago in Qumram confirms Christ Prophecy

originally posted by: watchitburn
"confirms" and "prophesy" are not compatible words for use together in a sentence.

I prophesied the other day when I ate some Popeye's chicken that I was going to have a rough morning. That's about the extent and worth of prophesy.

You are not God, and prophets ceased to exist after Jesus Christ. Because after him the message was given and there was no more need for speaking in tongues or prophesying. Anyone who claims to hold prophecies post JC is full of #. Isaiah however, is pre-Christ. So it actually validates his message not counter it.

a reply to: The angel of light

Must I feel disappointed by the background noise of irrelevant no sense posts? Of course Not, since no body that deserve to be heard would be wasting his time to deny something that is absurd, precisely their urgency to boycott it is a measure of its Importance.

We all use different criteria to determine our truths. So we shouldn't get frustrated when questioned as it can come from concern (aka from love).

According to the Church and to some theologians, relativism, as a denial of absolute truth, leads to moral license and a denial of the possibility of sin and of God. Whether moral or epistemological, relativism constitutes a denial of the capacity of the human mind and reason to arrive at truth. Truth, according to Catholic theologians and philosophers (following Aristotle) consists of adequatio rei et intellectus, the correspondence of the mind and reality. Another way of putting it states that the mind has the same form as reality. This means when the form of the computer in front of someone (the type, color, shape, capacity, etc.) is also the form that is in their mind, then what they know is true because their mind corresponds to objective reality. The denial of an absolute reference, of an axis mundi, denies God, who equates to Absolute Truth, according to these Christian theologians. They link relativism to secularism, an obstruction of religion in human life.

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I just pray your road is the right road for you.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Just look up suppression and Dead Sea Scrolls.

To my knowledge there has only been one book written on the subject.

The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception

By Michael Baigent

It was not well received.

To this day I've never read any of the information I received first hand from participants.

For example how a large cache of the translated documents mysteriously appeared on the desk of a certain very unbiased
professor at a U.S. University.

Or why the Vatican felt is was necessary to have a emissary present when a certain drug dealer was busted with connections to Iran-Contra. I met the guy and escorted him to the airport after. I was never informed of his purpose of being there.

All this skullduggery started in 47 and didn't end till the early 90s.

Buck

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: windword

Dear windword,

No absolutelly, you are wrong, when the Bible wants to refer to the people in general use the proper pronouns, verb inflections and articles.

Biblical writers were not illetarate people unable to grasp correct use of grammar while composing sentences.

It is quite straightforward than the prophet is talking about one single person, and the point becomes undoubtedly clear when he states that such an individual was going to carry the sins of many.

The singular third person HE is one of the most repeated words in those verses, also there are no wounds to count, members to pierce, or face to defigurate in people as plural because there is No anatomy in the configuration of a Nation, as it happen in the body of a single human being.

Israel was never judged as a nation and executed all together, all the genocides of their History were arbitrary actions in which a Trial was never carried out.

The singular third person possesive pronoun HIS is another exhaustively repeated word in those verses.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. 
Yet who of his generation protested? 

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

You can't form your argument around some cherry picked verses and ignore others.

Just as there were many who were appalled at him—
his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
and his form marred beyond human likeness—

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

According to the New Testament, Jesus was like a beautiful angel and attracted huge crowds that followed him all around. Jesus was not disfigured or despised.

Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

Jesus didn't have offspring. God didn't "prolong his days". Jesus died, rose from the dead and then flew off to Heaven, supposedly.

Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,

Jesus will divide spoils among the great? That doesn't make sense.

a reply to: windword

First at all there is No Physical description of Jesus what so ever written in No scripture in the New Testament.

Second, what we know about his aspect comes from traditions either transmitted orally, or from the minor also called Apocryph or deuterocanonic books.

Third, there are also secular Roman sources that describe him physically, that comes from official documents related with functionaries or historians reporting his famous life and trial.

Physical Aspect of Christ

fourth, if you try to merge all those descriptions plus the contribution made by the images of him not made by human hands, like the Holy veil of Veronica, the Holy mandylion, the cloth of Edessa or the Camuliana, you get the aspect that the Religious iconography has represented of him.

Archeiropoeitia images of Christ

This pictorical representation consistently has certain features that show him certainly handsome, long waved mane and bearded medium height, strong complexion man, possibly auburn or red headed, olive tone of skin.

Artistic Depictions of Jesus face

Nevertheless, at the point of his thirties his aspect was not precisely Angelic, it was definitively magnetic but Not androgyne, very masculine, with serene expression, and some accounts say sad eyes.

He probably looked Angelic when he was just a child or a teenager or at twenty, but not later. An example of his mature look is the Christ Portrait of the Monastery of St Katherine in Mount Sinai, Egypt, his eldest artistic depiction.

Fifth, I have worked part of my career closely to physicians, surgery environment, and I can tell you positively that people that has been badly beaten, like victims of extreme criminal violence can experience a terrible physical transformation, to the point that even their relatives when are asked to identify corpses can not do that.

Physical desfiguration in beautiful human beings with top model look to the point of not just uglyness but monstruosity is sadly possible under extreme traumatic circumstances.

Any plastic surgeon can tell you that the distance from extreme uglyness to beauty is not the one stereotypes of publicity claim it is. Swolen tissues and open wounds can alter the aspect of any face and body dramatically.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

www.pinterest.com... LOL this ink shows some of the photos with blue eyes and light coloured skin.

Third, there are also secular Roman sources that describe him physically, that comes from official documents related with functionaries or historians reporting his famous life and trial.

maybe you could point to those sources

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight
Dear TheConstruKtionofLight,


Even if we think that he was an archetype of masculine beauty, naturally, after the kind of tortures he suffered, being beaten in his face during interrogation, not only with fists but even with a stick, more than a hundred times also with a Roman flagrum, the profuse bleeding on his face due to the crown of thorns, his terrible falls in the way to golgota under the weight of the Cross, it is clear he was defigurated when he died.

The Prophet is clear that he is not referring to natural uglyness, but defiguration inflicted by torture when he mentions that he was pierced for our sins, and he is in terrible agony.

his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being 

The uglyness he is referring underlines not the quality of the man but the brutality of his execution, the perverse violence he was object of.

I think the source of your description of Jesus with Angelic look possibly is this:

 From letter of Publius Lentulus, Roman legate in Palestine to Tiberius Cesar .

   "There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua[Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him theSon of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of theNazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh,but many have seen HimWeep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men"

Now, the letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Cesar is more specific about what was that Special touch in his look: His very serene personality, his great articulated speech, and the Auburn color of his mane and beard, but his eyes were not even mentioned.

They probably grey, according with Lentulus a more likely color in Jews.

TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:

A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews -- not the poor but the rich and powerful.

Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day.

Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree -- truly this is the Son of God.

Your most obedient servant,
Pontius Pilate

Now, your source about the supposed blue eyes ( but very soft color) of Christ possibly is this:

The Archko Volume, official court documents from the days of Jesus. This information substantiates that He came from racial lines which had blue eyes and golden hair. In a chapter entitled "Gamaliel's Interview" it states concerning Jesus (Yeshua) appearance:

"I asked him to describe this person to me, so that I might know him if I should meet him. He said: 'If you ever meet him [Yeshua] you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is from exposure. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and heavy....' This Jew [Nazarite] is convinced that he is the Messiah of the world. ...this was the same person that was born of the virgin in Bethlehem some twenty-six years before..."

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: windword

Jesus Christ possibly in your narrow mind standards didn't have off spring, but the fact is that the people that consider him their spiritual source are one third of humanity.

He is more rembered than any of the people that knew about him, Including the dominant Jewish social classes that sent him to a brutal death with false accusations.

We probably should never have heard in History about Herod, Antipas, Pilate, Annas, Caiphas, and Quirinus if would have not been for their connection to him.

His offspring is the Christendom by excellence, and the Western civilization by extension.

There is No Hebrew figure in History more relevant than him, if the Hebrew culture has weight today in the world is thanks to his legacy, otherwise they probably might be considered a curious seminomadic people no more important than the Gypsy, Lappi, Eskimo, Cossacks, or Tartars of the Steppes.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

The Prophet is clear that he is not referring to natural uglyness, but inflicted by torture when he mentions that he was pierced for our sins, and he is in terrible agony.

No, that is NOT clear at all! Isaiah's Suffering Servant lived his entire life as an ugly disfigured man who was despised by all!

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Jesus, The Son of God", was "perfect". Eastern Kings came to see him and bestow expensive gifts on him. Jesus wasn't disfigured or despised. He was like a rock star! People followed him by the 1000's, according to the Bible! Women threw themselves at him! They risked their lives just to touch the hem of his garment!

Jesus is "King". He doesn't share in the spoil of the great and strong! He's the Alpha and the Omega!

Isaiah's Suffering Servant is the personification of the Nation of Israel, their punishing history of enslavement from Egypt and Babylon, their martyrdom as a people and the promised hope of ZION; Heaven on Earth. It's all in Isiah's Hymn to Israel, God's Son and Suffering Servant, who will be lifted up and share in the spoils of the "strong and great".

a reply to: windword

You can believe that if you please,
I am Not particularly interested into open your eyes, but it is clear that you are Not reading the prophecy as it was written, your reasoning comes from other source, your comments are some sort of biased interpretation that wants to depict on it something Not intended by the author of those verses.

So you can even die in that false idea, but plural and singular grammar structures were pretty well known by ancient Hebrew writers centuries before Isaiah wrote that text.

He was perfectly able to distinguish an individual person from an entire Nation, he was very far to be illetarate by the way, so it is impossible that he decided to encrypt the message when he didn't do so in the rest of the book.

When Isaiah arrives to the point to describe Jesus he had already written in very straightforward extremely descriptive language other 51 chapters of that book.

For the entity you refer to there is a very clear and short Hebrew word to use by any writer: Israel.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

but it is clear that you are Not reading the prophecy as it was written, your reasoning comes from other source,
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So you can even die in that false idea, but plural and singular grammar structures were pretty well known by ancient Hebrew writers centuries before Isaiah wrote that text, he was perfectly able to distinguish an individual person from an entire Nation, he was very far to be illetarate by the way.

It's "personification"! And, I didn't go to outside sources, like Christianity. My source is the Hebrew interpretation, from which the Hymn arose.

Jesus doesn't fit the "Suffering Servant" character, and truth be told, 6000 Jewish men were crucified by Romans during the Siege of Jerusalem in 70AD, which marked the end of "Temple" period. So, Jesus' fate was not unique to faithful Jewish men. His death wasn't that special.

Further, Jesus doesn't fulfill the "prophecy". Nothing changed. After his death, Jews were scattered and despised. Their suffering, and ours, continues. Wars and rumors of wars continue. There is no peace on earth. The only thing Jesus did to fulfill Isiah's Suffering Servants grand ends, was die. But wait! The Suffering Servant has offspring, and his days are prolonged! He shares in the spoils of the strong and great!

You claim he is risen, but his kingdom is NOT established on earth, as Isiah and Daniel both promise. Jesus hasn't fulfilled the promise of the Messiah. Christians believe he's coming back to finish the job, but until then, "No Zion, no dice!

a reply to: windword

Look Dear windword,

The world has not yet changed because there are still people that do not believe in the true Light that is the message of love of Jesus, that is so simply.

There are millions of pagans that reject that message, millions of agnostics and atheist people all around the world that live under very different values.

Also there are Heretics, that have deviated the original message, claiming that it was needed another Prophet coming after him, possibly even greater than him, and of course as it is used to say in those circles the last one sent by God, although unable to perform one single miracle.

There are also the ones that prefer enlighted philosophers that were possibly respectable wise men but unable to give real permanent inner peace to their followers, long time before Christ came.

Once more, just for you that i think you are a smart person, Here is the key question to ask:

To whom the Prophet Isaiah refers to when he says Our Sins or say Us?

Those are first possesive and personal pronouns of the plural.

So he is including himself in a group that has nothing to do with the Servant and had sinned. Isaiah was Hebrew, so that Ours refers to Israel, clearly Not the Servant he is describing.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, 
he was crushed for our iniquities; 
the punishment that brought us peace was on him, 
and by his wounds we are healed. 
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, 
each of us has turned to our own way; 
and the Lord has laid on him 
the iniquity of us all. 

Now, don't worry Jesus Christ will come again. In power or Glory to renew the world, as he promised, when all the economic and political systems of this world collapse fighting each one against the other.


Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Clearly, the concept of literary personification eludes you.

and the Lord has laid on him 
the iniquity of us all. 

Again, this isn't any unique thing. This is a reiteration of the Hebrew Scapegoat ritual, where the sin's of the people are placed on a goat.

A scapegoat is a person or animal which takes on the sins of others, or is unfairly blamed for problems. The concept originally comes from Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert with the sins of the community. Other ancient societies had similar practices. In psychology and sociology, the practice of selecting someone as a scapegoat has led to the concept of scapegoating.
en.wikipedia.org...

Leviticus 16;16
He shall then slaughter the people’s goat of sin offering, bring its blood behind the curtain, and do with its blood as he has done with the blood of the bull: he shall sprinkle it over the cover and in front of the cover.
Thus he shall purge the Shrine of the uncleanness and transgression of the Israelites, whatever their sins;

a reply to: windword

Not at all,

Jesus is the Lamb of God, the only sacrifice surely effective to expiate our sins, and the only one God is please to receive for the redemption of Humanity.

Hosea 6;6 :For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

He is absolutelly clean of sin, that is the reason for which is the only acceptable, and he only ask from us to have charity for all.

The previous sacrifices were ordered to take Israel out of the Land of Egypt, this one is taking out from the destructive power of sin.

St Matthew 9:12 Then he added, "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.' For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."

Why he his Messianic Kingdom has not come yet?

Since he is willing to give opportunity to all mindkind to convert to him before, he came once before as saviour but now he will come again as ruler of a Mesianic era for the entire world, not only Israel.

Isaiah 61;1:
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

Notice that the Prophet wrote " on me....annointed me ....Has sent me " that is first singular personal pronoun!

The scripture never stays for how long the Servant of God was going to suffer that ugly condition, it does not say for his entire life, that is your interpretation, your words.

Happy Easter!

The Angel of Lightness

Roswell 1947 to Mark Last Generation of 70 Years (Pattern)
(7000 Years from 10000 B.C. to 3000 B.C. (Flood to Homosapien)
(4000 Years from 2000 B.C. to 2000 A.D. (2000 Year Intervals, Consellation Belt Revisited, to Completion of Homosapien)



1. Four Gods on the Bottom (beginning of video)
2. Seven Subterranean Planets Above (beginning of video)

The village of Balathal (near Udaipur in Rajasthan), to cite only one example, illustrates the antiquity of India’s history as it dates to 4000 BCE. Balathal was not discovered until 1962 CE and excavations were not begun there until the 1990’s CE.
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Chandragupta’s son, Bindusara reigned between 298-272 BCE and extended the empire throughout the whole of India. His son was Ashoka the Great (lived 304-232, reigned 269-232 BCE) under whose rule the empire flourished at its height. Eight years into his reign, Ashoka conquered the eastern city-state of Kalinga which resulted in a death toll numbering over 100,000.
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c. 100 CE The large series of Mahayana Buddhist texts named in Sanskrit Prajnaparamita “Perfection of wisdom” begins to be written in Southern India. ancient.eu/india/

100 years before the Birth of Jesus the Scrolls of Isaiah found in Qumram were completed. About 400 years earlier from the birth of Jesus, they were scribed by the hebrews in that area, this matches the description of Jesus that India Recorded, as activity related to the Prophecy of Fatima's 100 year interval we observed in 1917 and we will observe 100 years later in 2017.

ELOI ELOI LAMA SABACHTHANI (33 Days) (Jesus the High Priest to Judge the Sabbath, God revealed that shortly before he revealed the lord's body at the crucifixion)

II SAMUEL 5:12 And David perceived that the LORD had established him king over Israel, and that he had exalted his kingdom for his people Israel's sake.
II SAMUEL 5:15 Ibhar also, and Elishua, and Nepheg, and Japhia,
II SAMUEL 5:16 And Elishama, and Eliada, and Eliphalet.
II SAMUEL 5:17 But when the Philistines heard that they had anointed David king over Israel, all the Philistines came up to seek David; and David heard [of it], and went down to the hold.
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JEREMIAH 36:21 So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
JEREMIAH 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and [there was a fire] on the hearth burning before him.
JEREMIAH 36:23 And it came to pass, [that] when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast [it] into the fire that [was] on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that [was] on the hearth.

You need to kill as much of the Asian Countries outside of China as we've discussed, God will remove one of Genetic Dan's Genetic Lines, India, this is indicated in the gospel's law. During 33 Days from 8/21 to 9/23. God separates one of Genetic Dan's Lines following the grouping in 2 Samuel, that is the law. INRI (we want the ethnics to continue in their pattern until they die). I likely go to India first when I obtain the Black Knight Satellite for 33 Days, and speak to the people and the authorities, because, I will not be assisting in the delivery of weapons of mass destruction during this period. After that, I will begin to speak with the nations beginning with the USA, and also illustrating euthanasia of Genetic Dan, as well as educating the public and authorities. I may or may not have the Black Knight Satellite for more than 33 Days, so I'll have to be clear and effective. After 33 Days, God will reveal the Sign of Divorce here in the City of Philadelphia, as well as likely kill all of what qualifies as Genetic Dan, surrounding the Sign of Divorce, this generally begins 7 Years (7000 Years of Fatima/Ishtar for 7 years of Revelation), then 5 Months (5000 years of homosapien for 5 months of Star Wormwood). Love and Blessings. (24 Hours after I go to India I will begin my instruction as we've discussed, that gives you 24 hours to mount a first strike to answer God, I am assuming I will have the power to make sure a missile hits, so as punishment for what happens, I will guarantee a place of ethnic population is killed if that is necessary, as we move to settle not only God's Law, but this problem of INRI and my authority once and for all time) (Anything below the 33rd Parallel with ethnics will be given priority in illustrating my authority to guarantee a missile hits, before I begin to chastise directly, I'm sure this will happen, as we settle this problem of authority, based on what God give me the ability to do, to resolve this problem).

a reply to: tbchugs

No, that is a claim that does not have solid support to be true, such a long trip out of the boundaries of the middle East must be mentioned somewhere in the Gospels, and it is Not even briefly mentioned neither on the Canonical ones nor in the minor ones.

The origin of such story is an account told to a Russian traveler who went to North India and Pakistan in the XIX century, it refers to somebody that brought to Kashmir the news about Jesus life, they possibly have merged in their traditions the two different figures in one.

If there is something trully historic on it must refer Not to Christ traveling there, but to his Apostle and cousin St Jude, who traveled there carrying the Holy Mandylion, the Burial Shroud of Jesus with his image miraculously imprinted on it.

Also there was a disciple that it is likely traveled with St Jude and brought back the Mandylion from India to Turkey, when the Apostle died in Kashmir or Pamir, his name was Thadeus, that in many traditions has been merged In only one person with his Master.

Another possibility was his other Apostle and also cousin, St Thomas, that was very look like Christ physically, who actually went to the subcontinent in misioner trip, but Not to Kashmir.

The tale in its current form has been used by Muslims and Buddhists Not to recognize that they have Insisted to reject to accept Christian faith, but to try to prevent the Christianization of Pakistan and Northern India, with the audacity of to claim that Jesus was a kind of Buddhist monk.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: Rosinitiate... prophets ceased to exist after Jesus Christ. Because after him the message was given and there was no more need for speaking in tongues or prophesying. Anyone who claims to hold prophecies post JC is full of #. Isaiah however, is pre-Christ. So it actually validates his message not counter it.

Jesus did not do away with anything but he did change how the spirit works. Prophesy is one of the gifts of the spirit and how it works today is not as it did during the days of the old testament prophets.

a reply to: teapot

Who spoke through the Prophets in Ancient times?

The answer is the Holy Spirit.

Who was sent by Jesus as he promised when he departed to guide his Apostles and disciples?

The answer is the Holy Spirit.

This gives to us Immediately an answer to the question if there are gift of Prophesy in our times.

St John 16,
Promise of the Holy Spirit
…6Instead, your hearts are filled with sorrow because I have told you these things. 7But I tell you thetruth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, theAdvocate will not come to you; butif I go, I will send Him to you. 8And when He comes, He will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment

To deny them is to claim that the church of Christ has disappeared from earth, and that is false, it is still alive as he promised was going to be until the end of times, the gates of hell will not prevail over it.

This person obviously does not know what it is to pertain to a church with continuous apostolic tradition traceable until the times of Christ.

St Matthew 16,18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: The angel of light

Does this really have any relevance to today's society? Goat herders and people who thought the earth was flat do not have any special knowledge when it comes to religion.

"he will divide the spoils with the strong" sounds pretty belligerent and war mongering. I thought Christianity was a religion of peace. I guess not.

thats just one interpretation. strong can mean alot of things and it doesnt instantly mean oppressing others with your power. "spoils" could be interpreted many ways aswell. im sure religious scholors will no doubt debate the meanings for years and in the end, whos right and wrong? no way to really know

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Prophecy, or self fulfilling prophecy?

The pertinent question being: Was Jesus aware of this prophecy?


(apols. if already covered in this thread. Though still on a meagre p.2, it is beyond my ability to comprehend the posts in my inebriated condition )