An interesting view comparing Socialism and Capitalism

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: nwtrucker

re: "Capitalism seems capable of serving a larger sphere without oppressing others"

Are you serious? Wealth inequality is at all time highs! Marx said laissez faire capitialism is always followed by communism because unfettered greed would result in a government's currency collapse. Once the currency collapses people in bread lines will DEMAND more government not less. Right now, because privatization, that is, the merger of corporations with government we have more government currency in the fewest hands by percentage than probably in our history. The government's currency is ripe for collapse.

Socialism works great. We have roads, bridges, and huge commonwealth making us all better off. The problem is not socialism but corruption. What difference does it make where the corruption comes from. All corruption is bad. When we had publicly owned water utilities it was lot cheaper and with better quality. Now we have CEOs taking the lion's share of the profits. It used to be water utilities like hospitals were not-for-profit. Private or public corruption what difference does it make. The public is not served by white collar crime or out-of-control CEOs.

You may not agree with my opinion. But I'm not saying my opinions are facts like many other people. I just remember inequality was no where near as bad as it now since I was young. Greed is out of control. Corruption is out of control. The criminals running our government, that is, the corporations want it this way.

I apologize. I should have been more specific in the comment regarding 'size'. I was referring to cultural impositions by the Socialist leaning ideologies as opposed to a more indifferent attitude by Capitalists...as long as they make their monies. I also was thinking of the overall health of a nation, the U.S. specifically when it came into conflict with national interests. The TPP is a signal example.

Absolutely agree re the corruption aspect. That doesn't conflict with my view that both require reining in.

I agree with your egs of roads, dams, basic education, etc. Those are obvious are examples of where balance....OK, my version of balance comes into play.

Your 'not for profit' view is offset by the inevitable cancer-like growth mentality of the bureaucracies running those operations. Again much more workable on a smaller scale. Smaller for both 'isms' allows for diversity on a state by state basis rather than the impositions of a national Gov't.

There is a balance in all this. The tough part is where to park each issue.

a reply to: rickymouse

Do you really think 10-15% 'rule'? I certainly don't. Enjoy the system that was created? perhaps.

Rule? Nope. I believe you are using the ruling class as a replacement for the 'Rich'.

a reply to: bluesjr


We see it similarly.


I wouldn't leave State rights out of that equation. Cities that want out of, or for that matter into, a specific program or law that conflicts with a national view or laws should be subject to the consequences of that decision.....unless we want to move to the city-state system which likely wouldn't work, these days.


In those days, socialism was non-existent. Pure supply and demand...outside the family unit.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: jellyrev

Socialism in my town is 2/3 of our police force doesn't work and is living high on the hog with fat pensions!

I don't doubt it. Yet I've been to many towns where the local police had to moon-light to make end meet.

a reply to: TonyS


The other side of the coin is complete economic collapse. In which I believe, TPTB have been doing everything they can to avoid!!

Nothing to 'buy' so the 'money' is next to useless. Deeds? T-Bills? Poor quality bathroom tissue. Worthless. Can't eat gold or silver...at least not for long.


The mechanism that made them
ceases to exist.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Capitalism............









Socialism............







What's Cooler ?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

:-)

a reply to: xbeta

The Good Old Days.............


Capitalism ..............

" Cut the Crap and Gimme My Freakin' Money !"




Socialism...................



" Give Us Your Money , and We Will Set You Free ! " .






I See a Pattern Here................

A good comparison is that capitalism has always worked, and socialism has never worked

Capitalism is destroying our world and socialism works fine in most of Europe. Your "Facts" are BS.

originally posted by: CB328

A good comparison is that capitalism has always worked, and socialism has never worked

Capitalism is destroying our world and socialism works fine in most of Europe. Your "Facts" are BS.

So You Being an Idealist , when will you Catch that Flight to the Socialist Paradise called the European Union ? Bon Voyage......