If we're alive then the universe is alive

How can we be something the universe is not?

The universe started in a much lower state of entropy than we will ever be in. This also means there's places in the universe that will be like Heaven to us because it will be in a lower entropy state.

Entropy is tied to information and entanglement. It's a measure of sequencial order or disorder in a system. So scrambled letters would be in a higher state of entropy than letters that spell out a Shakespeare Sonnet.

So the question becomes, where does the understanding of sequence come from? Why can we encode sequence with information that has meaning and can convey a message?

I can encode 3 rocks with information. I can say if the middle rock is in a higher position then the outer 2 rocks, then turn left. If the middle rock is lower than the outer rocks then turn right.

This encoded information comes from an intelligent mind and can be decoded by an intelligent mind. So the universe itself looks like the product of an intelligent Mind.

It's like the Bible says, "ye are gods." If the Spirit of God encoded the universe then it makes sense that we would understand the universe because the spirit of God is within us. This allows us to understand and decode the universe. Here's an article:

Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain

The universe may grow like a giant brain, according to a new computer simulation.

The results, published Nov.16 in the journal Nature's Scientific Reports, suggest that some undiscovered, fundamental laws may govern the growth of systems large and small, from the electrical firing between brain cells and growth of social networks to the expansion of galaxies.

The eerie similarity between networks large and small is unlikely to be a coincidence, Krioukov said.

"For a physicist it's an immediate signal that there is some missing understanding of how nature works," Krioukov said.

www.livescience.com...

Again, how can we be something the universe is not? The universe started in a low entropy state, so there can't be a sequential order that the universe is not. There's nothing new under the sun.

Considering were all made from star dust I'd say the universe made us...I couldn't say how intelligent the universe is but everything inside it was made from it so would appear intelligent by design.

a reply to: DarkvsLight29

May I add :

“We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.”

-Sagan

originally posted by: Golantrevize
a reply to: DarkvsLight29

May I add :

“We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.”

-Sagan

And visa versa.

a reply to: neoholographic

Perhaps the universe is just one big process, one big organism ?

See this thread I created some time ago www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: neoholographic
If we're alive then the universe is alive

Well, since We and the Universe are One, that would be true, IF your premise survives examination, that 'we are alive'.
The problem is the dualistic notion of 'life'.
'Life' and 'death' exist in/as 'thought/ego' only.
It is not an inherent quality of anything, it is something that exists in the thoughts of the beholder.
The Universe is a single Consciousness, but that does not necessarily mean 'life'.
Unless you want to define 'life' as Consciousness, but in that case the lack of the possibility of 'death' would refute such a definition.

The first experience of satori is just such a thing; a reverse entropy. It pierces a hole in the veil of existence, the first sound that pulls you out was the first cause that put you in. Into what? The elaborate dream, or bubble of reality to all you existed too. In concept of body, speech and mind. The body form, the speech the wave or ocean, the mind the energy.

When all three conglomerate together there is being. Consciousness is contact with all three, the senses of contact the weight that such bubbles of concept hold and one gives energy too for direction.

Unborn, unmade is a state of being or awareness when not holding onto any of those concepts... the dreams and bubbles continue to go on; but they cease to be one's own. So how many dreamers are dreaming of you as existing? If holding onto all of such as real and existent then so it is, as one experiences it arising and passing; such a thing occurs without any help at all. So all of the grasping of knowledge and concept is the entropy.

However emptiness and form are inseparable as entropy and reverse entropy... such is always in balance in one cause there is an effect a wave that ripples through and all react the reaction of contact varies.

A bunch of grapes clinging to a vine to make more or make whine to make wine who knows which of the three as that only takes time arising and passing, attaching and releasing, clinging and popping, becoming and not.

Knowledge does not create life but knowledge can be used for one. Knowing is simply awareness, the being or form that takes? Variable to all holding it... when it ceases to be a variable in the unknown then it becomes a constant in knowledge... but eh concepts bubbles within bubbles within bubbles or how about the concept of quantum foam.

Time being relative to the observer; at which point in the entire vastness of all does one become subject? In the attachment as a subject... in such a manner moon bonds to earth earth bonds to sun etc etc. all bubbles.

The inner and outer no different cells also bubbles life teaming inside and out naming something conceiving concepts does not make it that in and of itself, except to the grasping in awareness all simply just is.

The experience of Satori/Kensho whatever one chooses to call it in various terms of concept in whatever grasping the experience is the same... eventually over time that piercing will widen, with more and more practice then that just becomes the state of things... the one they already are. The state can change but it is the intent that keeps bubbling on whether one's lips are making the air or the cosmic rays are... your world or a n entire world makes little difference in the microcosm macrocosm, except in one place... the self in which it exists, and as stated? How could one know to which bubble... lol look around and one cannot fail to see the all except in ignorance or view held preventing it being in awareness except in the illusion that one has mistaken it for as existing.

originally posted by: neoholographic
How can we be something the universe is not?

Easily.

How can a goldfish be something the fishbowl isn't?

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar



Matter at the scale of what Neo is offering functions more like a fluid. Its like calling the Pacific Ocean and Ocean instead of calling is the group of water molecules that fill up the Pacific Basin. But in this case the apparent separation of atoms that we perceive is pretty much non-existent.

Nonetheless the activity of thought, despite the claims of now some. Is a part of this process we relate to in the sense of the mass of our Universe at the quantum scale.

In consideration that fundamentally? Everything is interconnected and that at scales of what is 80 to 156 billion light years as far as we can tell?

Matter could in effect function as a form of life. Just as we are living and are biologically similar to Gelatin. The Fluidic environment of the Universe at the quantum scale, could result in a living organism(s).

As in the context of the Multiverse.

And beyond that there may be Dragons.

Further reading...


fractalfoundation.org...

a reply to: Kashai

Dragons? Heh, best to call them worm holes that dump space and time in a recursive loop into the order in which they need to manifest in order to mature. It's fractal so that light bends in the waves required in which ones grasping twists and turns... the Mandelbrot space is like the ancient gourd carried... not only can it be used as a flotation device if lost at sea but it could also function as a water bottle. Drown of too much water nope, drown from too little water? Also nope. It was thought that if someone drowned in Shintoism that the energy would seek to find it's way back into the same family in which it was familiar... so appeasing all of that ancestor energy waiting for rebirth? Caused a bottle neck so feeding them at altars in the subtle form and praying that they find some family to accept them being all a family was a normal.

Of course the resistance to accept all as a energy family? Then intelligence... ceases to be that intelligent, only attached to the ignorance of form and the senses attached as oh no this is me when it isn't... when some of those energies get too restless to take another form, they can then try to possess members of a family... some of them like zombies or energy vampires trying to get revenge and restitution for having lost their form or place.

Like how dare you forget me! I had a self! yarr. Well asshole/asso(dsiambig.) go re-incarnate and stop being silly and you will have another... until realized and it ceases that cycle altogether. Until then energy the wormhole that put you right where you need to be over and over until one resolves their own malfunction as no one else is cause for ones own actions.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness



A point would be going beyond that perspective.


Coming to terms. That beyond this orientation in relation to the Multiverse? We are akin to a Facet in a Diamond.

But to elaborate that does not just relate to the electron cloud (a phenomenon discovered by Chemistry). But as well the parallel Universes that exist within each facet.

To be succinct our awareness transcends all states that can be perceived as matter.

Any thoughts?

[b[Hard Evidence for the Multiverse Found, but String Theory Limits the Space Brain Threat

www.math.columbia.edu...

The new research also lends credence to the idea of a multiverse. This theory posits that, when the universe grew exponentially in the first tiny fraction of a second after the Big Bang, some parts of space-time expanded more quickly than others. This could have created "bubbles" of space-time that then developed into other universes. The known universe has its own laws of physics, while other universes could have different laws, according to the multiverse concept.

www.space.com...

Parallel Universes

Max Tegmark Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA 19104; [email protected] (January 23 2003.)

Abstract: I survey physics theories involving parallel universes, which form a natural four-level hierarchy of multiverses allowing progressively greater diversity. Level I: A generic prediction of inflation is an infinite ergodic universe, which contains Hubble volumes realizing all initial conditions — including an identical copy of you about 1010 29 m away. Level II: In chaotic inflation, other thermalized regions may have different physical constants, dimensionality and particle content. Level III: In unitary quantum mechanics, other branches of the wave function add nothing qualitatively new, which is ironic given that this level has historically been the most controversial. Level IV: Other mathematical structures give different fundamental equations of physics. The key question is not whether parallel universes exist (Level I is the uncontroversial cosmological concordance model), but how many levels there are. I discuss how multiverse models can be falsified and argue that there is a severe “measure problem” that must be solved to make testable predictions at levels II-IV.

space.mit.edu...

Further reading....

space.mit.edu...

a reply to: Kashai

Tomato tomato the conceptual is just conceptual it is a ladder to climb around on as a mental activity a thought form of expression like a clam jetting water to kick up a cloud of sand and scoot away. The conscious awareness that inhabits a form is very protective of it, like a hermit crab mistaking the shell for itself... it doesn't mistake the shell as itself says hey outgrew this form lemme just step on out and check out another one. Life does the same thing... the concepts may seem to bind, but it is an illusion... one moment one could be a butterfly a bird a snake any life form known and unknown yet because of attachment of concept as reality? Not even know it. That is why it is called asleep life dreaming a life based on grasping at this intangible concept out of contact... then in conglomerate make up entropic nonsense of more and more concept.

The absolute state is the void, formless beyond all of that attachment... this is the natural state of being just life aware... it isn't bound by concept it just flows on and on and on form and formless same thing. Of course if one thinks of the senses like a neural net? Well it collects all sorts of crap and get weighed and bogged down that is called consciousness... however no need to be a scanner and sensing bot discriminating and labeling everything judging everything... but that is what it has become given name to form. The eye can function as just seeing the eye comes in many forms known and unknown, the same with the other senses... no need to collect data like some biological probe. Awareness is just awareness... you know the anomaly of the space tether? Lots of "stuff" showed up to watch and when it broke? Whoa what is this what is this may not have even been UFO but thought bubbles forming in the vacuum of space of all watching it occur rushing like a wonder what occurred, where did it fail? That sort of thing.

We could be inside a larger beings ovary and our world just what she senses... but never the less, it matters not any cause except the ones we personally put forth in action as an awareness... consciousness grasping? It become intent then a purpose and where ego is involved? Life eventually dies as what it inhabits like a virus becomes exhausted... but a new form evolves adapts and takes over... it is exactly how and why we are at the point we are now.

Attached to form? Oh noes the humans... not attached to form? Yay a break from humans so the earth can heal, and in however long until the next rise of primate or whatever? We will start again... this hurdle we cannot seem to get past whether naturally built in? I cannot say... but it is there, core samples show it has occurred more than six times on this planet alone. So continue to be stupid greedy and hateful pigs spreading ignorance or evolve?

Some already have and the form that bears such awareness... are the thing called hope one step out of the void trying to lend a hand of sense that isn't grasping after anything found in them.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness


Sounds like your experiencing Melancholia.

How we happen to perceive ourselves does not necessarily define what we are.

What is presented is that what we think we are is simplistic to what we really are.

a reply to: Kashai

Eh having lived the subjective reality gasping at concepts as reality which is what makes one a slave to it? There is empathy for all of those still bound to such a thing as reality. Do I have to do such a thing as point with concept as futile as that is that concept is not actual reality? No but such pointing does help, it ends the slavery to concepts the chaos of a mind and heart... all comes to peace.

However those that also seek to control others as slaves or to challenge them to progress as a teacher? Oh it can get back into duality in the whole god/titan and children of them(deva/asura) business and then be no different than the human plane other than time span and of course naturally occurring forces harness to abuse those ignorant to them for whatever reason.

Freedom means being able to dive through all life and all form from largest to smallest known and unknown... unbound totally free from the chains of such concepts that hold and bind from well that grasping and desire of some nature.

But it's life and it can be anything; why such wants to carry on like this is more of a sick entertainment than actually living... so I point like countless before me have pointed.

a reply to: neoholographic

Why are you always smiling typing that. Am i missing the joke?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness


How are you defining reality?

It seems possible that your idea of garbage and with respect to such conclusions, is different than mine.

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