Assad crossed many Red Lines but I aint Broadcasting our Strategy!

originally posted by: rickymouse
I question if Assad did this, it could be a set up to make it look like he did. This definitely stinks of a setup by the rebels. I wouldn't be too fast in blaming this one on Assad.

Exactly.

Assad had little to gain and everything to lose.

He is currently winning the war now. Using gas to kill a few dozen civilians does nothing to help achieve victory or even speed it up, yet risks everything instead.

Assad msy be a brutal/evil dictator but he is not stupid, infact everything points to him being rather smart and anyone with a braincell would not use gas in such a risky low level way.

Some dude which Tucker just interviewed on Fox News said the rebels in Syria don't have any of the planes used in the attack and the only folks who do are Russia and Assad's regime.

Anyone know how true that statement is? Do the rebels have airplanes?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Some dude which Tucker just interviewed on Fox News said the rebels in Syria don't have any of the planes used in the attack and the only folks who do are Russia and Assad's regime.

Anyone know how true that statement is? Do the rebels have airplanes?

The terrorists do not operate aircraft, save for 2 Aero L-39s and a handful of civilian drones.

Russia don't operate Su-17s anymore though.

Of course it's irrelevant since it wasn't an air-dropped weapon.

a reply to: MysticPearl

If the terrorists where smart they would let the gas off as Russian or Syrian planes where flying over so as to implicate the government.



Hell I would go as far as saying rogue elements of the CIA or MI6 set up the whole thing.

The UK and sections of the US government have been wanting this war in Syria desperately. Hillary was going to deliver it but TPTB are now trying todrag trump into it.

I would not put it past sections of the CIA under influence from the clintons , McCain and his crowd and the UK government to try and fool trump into going to war.
Especially the UK as we are looking for more money leaving the EU and a war in Syria will add a massive boost to the defence sector.

originally posted by: crazyewok

Assad msy be a brutal/evil dictator but he is not stupid, infact everything points to him being rather smart and anyone with a braincell would not use gas in such a risky low level way.

It is weird....

Looks like the only true false flag I have ever seen...I wonder who did it? There is like 10 groups that anyone could have. Chemicals are easy to get....

a reply to: MysticPearl

i haven't heard of any rebel/isis/al quida/fsa air force in syria. i could be wrong. any way if there was russia would have already shot all of them down by now.

Unlike a lot of you (thankfully) I have been to war several time so know this incident may have been Assad's forces but without his permission.

I was there a few years ago as close protection to the UN in disabling and destroying Assad's chemical capability..

I saw it.. It was all destroyed. I even got shot in my left arm in the process.. The infection after was a bitch!

I think Assad has lost control of his forces, and it doesn't take much to create these chemicals.. Particulary when you realise that the targets are "hospitals" with laboratories..

There is massive fault on both sides and someone needs to lose to bring stability..

Assad is the safe choice for now

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: Stevemagegod


You still think Assad used chemical weapons on his own people? hmm

cui bono?

Well ill say someone did we have people in the hospital in Turkey and the videos showing its effect. Whoever did it has aircraft and that narrows down the suspects to Russia Syria the US and Turkey. And the US and Turkey dont operate in that area. Soooo to answer your question choose one.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: Stevemagegod


You still think Assad used chemical weapons on his own people? hmm

cui bono?

Well ill say someone did we have people in the hospital in Turkey and the videos showing its effect. Whoever did it has aircraft and that narrows down the suspects to Russia Syria the US and Turkey. And the US and Turkey dont operate in that area. Soooo to answer your question choose one.

Considering it wasn't an air-dropped weapon, what do aircraft have to do with anything?

You could fire a howitzer shell at the weapons dump and achieve the same effect

a reply to: dragonridr

Assad has nothing to gain and everything to lose by using chemical weapons.

I can not fathom any logical reason for him to use them.

However I can list a myriad reasons why the terrorist groups and coalition forces would want to.

And there doesnt need to be aircraft involved. A terrorist just needs to let a canister off as a goverment aircraft flys over on a conventional bombing run.

originally posted by: FissionSurplus
I like the fact that Trump doesn't broadcast what he's going to do.....but I still think that I'd rather the US stay out of Syria and let it settle out first. Honestly, I wish we had never started to play World Police back in 2003, but as we know, there was something to be gained by a few.

I agree completely. We need to just get out of the area. I understand there's complicated politics at work, but our presence isn't improving anything.

Obama's red line was some of the worst political posturing of the past decade.

Is it weird that this attack happened right after Russia had its subway bombed? Does anyone think any of the Western countries pulled this attack to create more propaganda? Because people are going to blame either Russia or Syria for this attack so its a really low risk operation.

originally posted by: farhan98 Does anyone think any of the Western countries pulled this attack to create more propaganda?

I personally would not refer to it as "America".

Going back to when Hillary as Sec of State had her own
personal wars, that was Hillary and Obama's America.

Hillary and Obama also chose to arm the rebels,
which led to the situation with ISIS. Again,
Hillary and Obama's America.

In my humble opinion....

a reply to: darkbake

The commander of the Free Idlib Army rebel brigade, Hasan Haj Ali, told Reuters that "everyone saw the plane while it was bombing with gas.

Was McCain flying that plane?

originally posted by: ipsedixit
Satire:

Wrong country , wrong President , wrong time , wrong enemy , etc.
Not satire , foolishness.

Russia and the US would never fight each other. If the US strikes Assad, Russia would escalate air strikes on rebels. The end result would be millions more die in Syria.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

where is the definitive proof of who did the chemical attacks? i wouldn't call those people you mentiond "good men" they were dictator tyrants that had a stranglehold on their countries perhaps that was what was need in those countries, the lesser of two evils one might say.

i will say this, one can argue that those countries and the world in general were far better off with those leaders in place. we went after the "bad guys" not realizing that the alternative (lawlessness) is far much worse.

a reply to: burntheships

More than probable. Who remembers Assad disarming his WMD a couple years ago? There was a big toodoo, if he gives it up we won't attack him. He did and its been verified.

People forget.

Trump announces due to this gas attack 'by assad' on 'little babies' (that sounds real familiar, like baby incubators being unplugged in Kuwait, remember?), Trump is now changed his position on Syria. The position hasn't changed at all... Assad must go.

People forget.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Assad crossed many Red Lines but I aint Broadcasting our Strategy!

As he was 'allowed' to cross "many red lines", obviously our 'strategy' seems to be making empty threats.
And, considering the source, he ain't broadcasting his strategy because he has none, not because he suddenly grew ethics or strategy beyond the childish!
Time will tell...

a reply to: EvanB

I think along these lines as well 4 bombs one of gas sounds so odd, it could have been an "infiltrator" 3 HE bombs and one chemical no one would really know if done properly. It could even have been human error things happen in "the fog of war" We could find out tomorrow that this was the case and Assad apologizes. Maybe it was Chechens rebels trying to get the US into conflict with Russia. One thing is certain, it does not make sense with the current information available.