True Intentions

Eloquent, elegant, element, elephant.

As you can see, if eloquence was a measure of anything, I'd be worth about a dollar and some change. Luckily for me, this is the internet, where my insecurities are well gaurded and my overly pretentious mouth can roam free. Works for me I guess.

Anyways, that's neither here nor there, which brings me to the point of this thread. The point of this thread? I'm not even sure, but if you've been paying attention to some of my recent threads, there has been a reoccurring theme, and my only fear is that the intentions may have gotten lost within the obscurity, or the intended were just unable to read between the lines. So I guess this is my chance to be as clear and cogent as possible, sorry if I offend you along the way.

Let me start off by saying that even though I'm a Trump supporter (if you can even call it that), I am actually (wait for it...) a Liberal. I live in the most multicultural and diverse city in the world (Toronto), in one of the most socially progressive and liberal places on earth (Canada). So having been born and raised here, it's hard not to be a liberal at heart, having lived and seen both the product and potential. I think it's safe to say we are all liberals at heart. (Save the extremes)

Having said all that, I will NOT support the anti-Trump movement, because quite frankly, it is based on nothing but fallacies, and feeds on your emotions and fears. I'd be a liar if I said I knew Trumps true intentions (Can you say the same?), but I can confidently say that I believe he wants what's best for America and is actually trying his best to do so, we have to remember he was never a politician before. As for the anti-Trump movement? Their intentions are crystal clear, and it's not what's best for me, you, him, her, America or the world. So this leaves us with 2 possibilities; Either they are all in on it (which we are screwed either way), or that Trump is actually who he says he is. So how can you not support his movement? (Don't answer, rhetorical)

I'm not saying we should all praise Donald Trump, but what's the alternative? Get him impeached and let the same people that have been destroying your lives for decades back into power? I think I'll pass. I mean does Donald Trump not deserve a chance? What has he been doing other then tweeting, triggering people and following up on his promises? Where is this demon out to destroy our lives and end the world? Let me remind you that despite all the fears and projection, nothing has happened yet. Take a look into the mirror and I bet you'll start to see the same things you claim to hate. Do you not see the anti-Trump "movement" becoming the exact thing they claim to be against? (For the really ignorant, it's dictatorship and facism). So many of you have been brainwashed, and are stuck in such deep denial that you've either completely lost yourselves, or just don't care anymore. (See previous threads)

Just take a look right here on ATS. It's the same # different day, every day. People are not even arguing policies or ideologies anymore, it's not even liberals vs republicans, it's become Trump vs anti-Trump, ego vs ego, stubborn vs stubborn, oh yea? Look at this vs oh yea? Well look at this. Just like how we all have a bit of Trump in us, we also all have liberalism in us. So what does that mean? We are all just a reflection of each other, which only puts us at war with ourselves. What are you really fighting for? Or are you just fighting for the # of it?

Anyways I think I've been blabbering on long enough and I'm probably running out of space too. The point of this thread? I still don't know, and let's be honest, who even cares? I'm overly opinionated and overly pretentious and I think my words have some type of value. If you've made it this far, thanks for reading. Is this even a rant? Meh..

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah........

Toronto sucks...

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Just like how we all have a bit of Trump in us, we also all have liberalism in us.

I dont want trump or liberals in me

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Toronto sucks...

Well that was mature and provided a lot to this thread..... Anyhow, I agree with the OP. It makes perfect sense and hopefully more people will take notice and at least wait and see how things play out. And I mean play out long term, not silly short term, trivial things like "omg Trump double parked".

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

He probably means toronto maple leafs suck. Maybe an edmonton oilers fan? You cant call him immature. They take hockey super seriously in canada

It's cool, I know his intentions, See there's that word again.

He is definitely a leafs hater, which is understandable if you're Canadian.

Well, once you understand that any good or potential good that could ever happen in this country is superseded by partisan fanaticism then you'll see the entire picture. Every election cycle it's the same old song and dance. "Rah-rah-rah Republicans. Rah-rah-rah Democrats. Boo 'evil' third parties." Then one of the shills from one of the two major parties get elected and then it's nothing but stonewall.

Now, I personally think Trump has thrown a proverbial kink in the establishment's armor. However, you're seeing the result. It's still the typical partisan stonewalling. No wonder this country is headed in the direction it is.

By the way, I S&F for your post because you made some very succinct points.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986


Great post, well spoken and balanced

Independent pre Trump but see I have become more right leaning but still not quite republican.
No one will ever represent everything any of our beliefs on both sides...except some who only follow their current pied piper.

I don't like some of Trumps current policies and I suspect he is being pressured into some politically correct verbiage. However, there remains the hope that in time time the alternate agenda trying to overtake us will be displaced and progress will be made.

That said, I will repeat, I really don't like many of his policies, but I think many of us have no one else to hang our hopes on.

I could have supported Trump until he mocked the disabled man. It's not about politics anymore...It's about honor, character and compassion.

btw....I never supported Clinton.

a reply to: olaru12

I agree with that as well, but how will you recognize it when he's being demonized 247? On top of the fact they will never report a positive thing about him? In the anti-Trumpers eyes, it's impossible to accept anything positive about Trump. Product of demonization.

BTW he's said many many times that he wasn't mocking the disabled.

Hm. Well I appreciate the tone of your post.

Please understand that while you have health care, I'm watching Republican's led by Trump trying to make my healthcare and my very very sick son's healthcare cover less, which is disastrous for us. They also want to make us pay tons more because we need to use the insurance.

This is painful to mention, but they are attempting to penalize and punish us for, ultimately, following the Republican ideal of "choosing life" for this boy when we were offered otherwise by professionals. We are facing a massive surgery and expensive medications for the rest of his life as well as expensive follow-up procedures.

It is hypocritical of the Right to say we must take responsibility for our lives and not be a burden to anyone else, and then also to remove the means and structures to help ourselves. That seems to be what they do. They also seem to think we don't want to care for our kids and be responsible, and that our problems are our own to bear while forcing us to bear them in the most difficult way possible.


Then there is the environmental impact of allowing pesticides and such to be free of regulation. My son's condition has been linked to environmental pollution, but not in a way I could sue for relief.

So that sucks too. And it will for generations to come

Your idea that Trump is benign is, in my view, false.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

RE: but what's the alternative? Get him impeached

I would hope that even the most partisan Republican would agree if the president breaks the law then he should be impeached by the Senate. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not.

I'm not talking about some white lie about cheating on the first lady like with Clinton. I mean something major in relationship to national security or the elections.

But do not worry. The Republicans control the majority in both houses. The senate will never agree to impeach Trump.

The liberals have been vanquished from government. At this point, who are the Republicans going to blame? Do you really think the Democrats are that powerful int he minority? Or are the Republicans just incompetent?

a reply to: AboveBoard

I don't agree with a lot of his policies either, but I understand that he's a human being, just like the rest of us. He's far from perfect, but he's even farther from this demon he's painted out to be. Like I said in my OP, he could very well be apart of their agenda, but we don't know for sure.

Thanks for reading

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

There are the globalists who hate Trump.

There are the anti-Americans who hate Trump.

There are the socialists who hate Trump.

There are the Hillary supporters who hate Trump.

All the leftists and democrats hate Trump.

Many establishment republicans hate Trump.







Hell, it doesn't leave much who actually like the guy.

a reply to: DBCowboy

That's a lot of hate for one man , for a whole lot of nothing.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's a lot of hate for one man , for a whole lot of nothing.

It only makes me admire him even more.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Toronto sucks...

Well that was mature and provided a lot to this thread..... Anyhow, I agree with the OP. It makes perfect sense and hopefully more people will take notice and at least wait and see how things play out. And I mean play out long term, not silly short term, trivial things like "omg Trump double parked".

To be fair, that's like criticizing a bird for flying or a rainbow for being colorful. You gotta know what to expect, and once you do, you might find good ol duke to be one of the most entertaining posters on ATS. Or, you know, not.



Loved your words here knowledgehunter. Its a tough topic to discuss.

Its always difficult to have a meaningful conversation with someone that disagrees, but this stuff is bringing it to a whole new level.

There's no respect, or even a modicum of desire to reconcile differences. Beyond that, the deeper entrenched that goes, the more "points" it gets in their social groups.

The worst offenders, even here on ATS, either don't see themselves as participants or actively play ignorant. Ive seen it in many threads like this, where they will come in and essentially say "I know, those types are the worst," and then youll see them posting as that very "type" moments later in another thread. Its common human behavior, but it has gone above and beyond the typical imo(and in large numbers).

All you can really do is shake your head. There's certainly no way to bring it to someone's awareness.

Now, with all that in mind, there is still a whole world(s) beyond this BS. It can become easy to get embroiled, and even obsessed, and as more participate, it becomes easier still. For whatever reason, we tend to focus and respond to the negative and then it just spirals.

It isn't uncommon to see someone provided with two posts to respond to, one fostering good discussion and the other habitual insults, and the person will typically focus on the latter. Frequently ignoring the former altogether, even in a discussion about ignoring the negativity.

I think we've all done that, but when its all anyone does, its really a vicious cycle. Might not be a bad idea for all of us to break it.

I really think it has to do with the whole "instant Gratification" thing going on. People no longer have patients, to give someone time to actually do something good. They want results and they want them now. Since he hasn't had time to do anything major yet, people are going to pick apart any little move made right now.

And the media is fueling this, hard core.

Think back. Can you imagine if we had today's tech, with past presidents?

Would have been a nightmare.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

I may not agree with what you say, but I admire the verve and, yes, eloquence with which you say it.